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>I mean actual free speech would just be an endless collection of penis videos. I agree with the main thrust of your post, but to nitpick, American free speech

>I mean actual free speech would just be an endless collection of penis videos. I agree with the main thrust of your post, but to nitpick, American free speech jurisprudence is not so daft. Where some restrictions are necessary, the principle of “viewpoint neutrality” still works to prohibit censorship. So, where the government allows pro-abortion expression, it must also allow anti-abortion expression. And this applies even where its more general obligation to allow all expression does not hold.

CPLX 7y ago
Yeah I get it. But like it’s fine for Flyertalk.com to be about frequent flier programs, and for Woodweb.com to stick to discussions of router bits and edge banding. It seems to me that the reason people are applying some kind of double standard to Tik Tok is because it’s Chinese. But like it’s fine to make an app for kids to share only positive light hearted videos and keep it focused on that. But of course the more interesting question being raised here is if the other model —- the extremely moderated some kinds of “free speech” but not others Facebook model — is in fact better. That’s not clear at all.
- giggles_giggles 7y ago
  It's not hypocritical to look at a Chinese app and question the motives of the censors there. Obviously their censors are controlled by the CCP. I dont have children yet but if I did they would not be allowed on TikTok, period. But then, I also think the free world shouldn't do business with the Communist Chinese. So that's just my opinion.
  - CPLX 7y ago
    > the free world lol
    - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
      Are you really either so naive or so propagandized that you can't see a difference in freedom between China and the west? Or are you so focused on the west's failings (admittedly far larger than they should be) that you can't see that the west has still done far better than China has?

CPLX 7y ago

Yeah I get it. But like it’s fine for Flyertalk.com to be about frequent flier programs, and for Woodweb.com to stick to discussions of router bits and edge banding. It seems to me that the reason people are applying some kind of double standard to Tik Tok is because it’s Chinese. But like it’s fine to make an app for kids to share only positive light hearted videos and keep it focused on that. But of course the more interesting question being raised here is if the other model —- the extremely moderated some kinds of “free speech” but not others Facebook model — is in fact better. That’s not clear at all.

giggles_giggles 7y ago
It's not hypocritical to look at a Chinese app and question the motives of the censors there. Obviously their censors are controlled by the CCP. I dont have children yet but if I did they would not be allowed on TikTok, period. But then, I also think the free world shouldn't do business with the Communist Chinese. So that's just my opinion.
- CPLX 7y ago
  > the free world lol
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    Are you really either so naive or so propagandized that you can't see a difference in freedom between China and the west? Or are you so focused on the west's failings (admittedly far larger than they should be) that you can't see that the west has still done far better than China has?