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Soviet Union did exactly that - they had gulags. North Korea is doing exactly that as we speak.
by anonymousse1234 7y ago
Soviet Union did exactly that - they had gulags.
North Korea is doing exactly that as we speak.
- monocasa 7y agoI mean, our prison system is worse than gulags, and we get away with it too.
- mtts 7y agoRead up on the gulags sometime.
- baby 7y agoIt’s not a competition, we’ll probably look back at prisons in the future and be like “wtf were they thinking?” the same way our generation looks at previous generations and the normalization of slavery.
- monocasa 7y agoHowever, the vitriolic response that people have to the very idea that we could possibly be doing the same things is worthy of some introspection today.
- monocasa 7y agoRead up on our prisons. Like, what metric do you want to use? I'll let you pick.
- kolanos 7y agoThe White Sea & Baltic Canal was dug by hand by Gulag prisoners. You can't be serious? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#Conditions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#Conditions
- monocasa 7y agoWe have hard labor. That's why the 13th amendment makes an exemption to the ban on slavery for prisoners. In the gulags that effort was at least spent on public works projects, here it's to make rich people slightly richer with next to free labor.
- kolanos 7y agoThere's hard labor and then there's "Among the prisoners there are some so ragged and liceridden that they pose a sanitary danger to the rest. These prisoners have deteriorated to the point of losing any resemblance to human beings. Lacking food . . . they collect orts [refuse] and, according to some prisoners, eat rats and dogs."
- mtts 7y agoMortality rate.
- monocasa 7y agoWhich rate are you using on gulags? Both the Gulag Archipelago and Black Book of Communism have been disregarded by modern historians due to blatant inaccuracies.
- mtts 7y agoLet’s use the Gulag administration’s own numbers. One and a half million. How’s the death rate in the US prison system, then?
- rayiner 7y agoYou have to account for age and gender. Prisoners are younger than average and overwhelming male. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/msp0114st.pdf https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/msp0114st.pdf (prisons); https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db328.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db328.htm (whole population). If you look at Table 8, the death rate for 45-54 year olds in state prisons in 2014 was 342 per 100,000. For the 45-54 age group as a whole, the mortality rate was about 400 per 100,000. Note that the figure for prisons is mostly men, while the figures for the whole population is both men and women. Accounting for the gender difference, the prison population has a lower death rate than the general population at the same age group. The difference is especially noticeable among younger prisoners. In the 25-35 demographic, the death rate in prison is 1/4 the general population. This is not surprising. Prisoners eat a controlled diet, they don’t drive, they have limited exposure to occupational hazards, etc. All causes mortality rate in US prisons is higher than Germany or France, but comparable to Sweden and Switzerland at around 27.5 per 10,000 (note difference in denominator). http://www.statewatch.org/news/2017/apr/coe-annual-prison-statistics-report-1-prison-populations-2015.pdf http://www.statewatch.org/news/2017/apr/coe-annual-prison-st... (table 13)