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Are the first 2 points even made seriously? Obviously they aren't advocating for businesses to compensate people for exactly their specific 'basic expenses', th

Are the first 2 points even made seriously? Obviously they aren't advocating for businesses to compensate people for exactly their specific 'basic expenses', they clearly intend to mean basic expenses for low to middle class in general, not based on the person. Also, it always seems weird that whenever a minimum wage discussion comes up people jump in with these obviously contrived what if scenarios. How about we care about the real people that can barely/cannot afford food/housing/etc because businesses don't pay enough, rather than these situations with made up people.

dantheman 7y ago
The number of teenagers having jobs has plummeted over time as minimum wage has increased. Teenagers don't often have the skills / work ethic / experience needed to provide more value than they cost and so the job is eliminated. We are removing the bottom rung of the ladder. This is not a contrived example.
tenebrisalietum 7y ago
> How about we care about the real people that can barely/cannot afford food/housing/etc because businesses don't pay enough Obviously depending on people to care out of the goodness of their hearts isn't working, if someone really cared about these people they wouldn't be in their situation. You can ask me or anyone else to care, you can even pressure them into appearing to care, but you can't really make them care, so this is a bad way to solve a problem. If a good system that doesn't depend on emotions, media performances, or pathos can be put into place, it's probably going to be more reliable in the long run, and can mutually benefit both those in bad situations and those who would like to be able to walk in a city without getting asked for money constantly. Hence it's very valid and good to ask what exactly entails things like "basic expenses" and use hypothetical situations.
- jebeng 7y ago
  > if someone really cared about these people they wouldn't be in their situation. Do you really think that?

dantheman 7y ago

The number of teenagers having jobs has plummeted over time as minimum wage has increased. Teenagers don't often have the skills / work ethic / experience needed to provide more value than they cost and so the job is eliminated. We are removing the bottom rung of the ladder. This is not a contrived example.

tenebrisalietum 7y ago

> How about we care about the real people that can barely/cannot afford food/housing/etc because businesses don't pay enough Obviously depending on people to care out of the goodness of their hearts isn't working, if someone really cared about these people they wouldn't be in their situation. You can ask me or anyone else to care, you can even pressure them into appearing to care, but you can't really make them care, so this is a bad way to solve a problem. If a good system that doesn't depend on emotions, media performances, or pathos can be put into place, it's probably going to be more reliable in the long run, and can mutually benefit both those in bad situations and those who would like to be able to walk in a city without getting asked for money constantly. Hence it's very valid and good to ask what exactly entails things like "basic expenses" and use hypothetical situations.

jebeng 7y ago
> if someone really cared about these people they wouldn't be in their situation. Do you really think that?