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No one asked for constant nag screens. edit: HN won't let me make any more replies. I don't know why people are fine with someone accusing me of entitlement w

by Kye 7y ago

No one asked for constant nag screens. edit: HN won't let me make any more replies. I don't know why people are fine with someone accusing me of entitlement with no basis, while me calling them out on it with a level of civility they did not deserve is out of bounds. I don't understand this place. This is ridiculous.

izacus 7y ago
You're only getting them because you're not paying anything for the service. Why do you think your "ask" matters? Do you feel the same entitlement in other stores? When using Spotify? When visiting the movies?
- deleted 7y ago
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- Kye 7y ago
  This is not a good post. You should rethink it. Some suggestions: 1: Making assumptions will never go over well. Entitlement is an especially touchy one. The implicit assumption is that I use YouTube, or that I use it enough to justify the subscription price. Google is not owed my business any more than Spotify (which I don't use), the movie theater (same), or physical businesses with pushy sales people (this pushes me right out the door). 2: You asked four questions in rapid succession with further (wrong) assumptions. The term for this is sealioning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning Good luck with future posts!
  - lordgrenville 7y ago
    I hadn't heard the term before, but after reading the page you quoted, that sounds like a mischaracterisation of your parent.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Being condescending and assuming bad faith isn’t a great look either.
  - danShumway 7y ago
    Sealioning is a bad-faith discussion strategy where someone inserts themselves into either a semi-private, self-contained, or narrowly focused public conversation insisting that the conversation stop until a speaker justifies every point they're making to an arbitrary degree that the sea lion chooses. It's considered bad-faith because even though sea lions act with civility, they're really trying to derail the overall conversation by preventing it from moving forward, or by forcing the speaker to apply a standard of rigor beyond what the current conversation requires. Sea lions selectively demand debate in inappropriate contexts, and demand that they be unconditionally given the intellectual and emotional energy to sustain that debate. It doesn't just mean, "someone disagreed with me and asked a question about something I consider settled." A Hackernews thread is an appropriate place for civil debate, especially in the context of GP responding to criticism you raised on their post. It's good for us to assume the best of critics in this context, and not to be skeptical of their motives.
    - Kye 7y ago
      Accusing me of entitlement knowing nothing about me, the way I use YouTube, or what a good value proposition for it looks like to me is not civil. Civil questions wouldn't go off on tangents asking if I feel entitled to various things.
- dawnerd 7y ago
  Not entirely true, they have nag screens even when you subscribe.
  - izacus 7y ago
    I'm not really receiving any for a long while. Is it a regional thing?

by Kye 7y ago

izacus 7y ago

You're only getting them because you're not paying anything for the service. Why do you think your "ask" matters? Do you feel the same entitlement in other stores? When using Spotify? When visiting the movies?

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Kye 7y ago
This is not a good post. You should rethink it. Some suggestions: 1: Making assumptions will never go over well. Entitlement is an especially touchy one. The implicit assumption is that I use YouTube, or that I use it enough to justify the subscription price. Google is not owed my business any more than Spotify (which I don't use), the movie theater (same), or physical businesses with pushy sales people (this pushes me right out the door). 2: You asked four questions in rapid succession with further (wrong) assumptions. The term for this is sealioning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning Good luck with future posts!
- lordgrenville 7y ago
  I hadn't heard the term before, but after reading the page you quoted, that sounds like a mischaracterisation of your parent.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Being condescending and assuming bad faith isn’t a great look either.
- danShumway 7y ago
  Sealioning is a bad-faith discussion strategy where someone inserts themselves into either a semi-private, self-contained, or narrowly focused public conversation insisting that the conversation stop until a speaker justifies every point they're making to an arbitrary degree that the sea lion chooses. It's considered bad-faith because even though sea lions act with civility, they're really trying to derail the overall conversation by preventing it from moving forward, or by forcing the speaker to apply a standard of rigor beyond what the current conversation requires. Sea lions selectively demand debate in inappropriate contexts, and demand that they be unconditionally given the intellectual and emotional energy to sustain that debate. It doesn't just mean, "someone disagreed with me and asked a question about something I consider settled." A Hackernews thread is an appropriate place for civil debate, especially in the context of GP responding to criticism you raised on their post. It's good for us to assume the best of critics in this context, and not to be skeptical of their motives.
  - Kye 7y ago
    Accusing me of entitlement knowing nothing about me, the way I use YouTube, or what a good value proposition for it looks like to me is not civil. Civil questions wouldn't go off on tangents asking if I feel entitled to various things.
dawnerd 7y ago
Not entirely true, they have nag screens even when you subscribe.
- izacus 7y ago
  I'm not really receiving any for a long while. Is it a regional thing?