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> More generally, is there anything on TikTok which is banned by Facebook? That's wrong question. It usually doesn't matter what is banned, but what is "shadow

by kds3 7y ago

> More generally, is there anything on TikTok which is banned by Facebook? That's wrong question. It usually doesn't matter what is banned, but what is "shadow-banned" really matters. You can't see what is shadow-banned on Facebook because they don't tell us how they do moderation on their news feed.

jessaustin 7y ago
The difference is important on the level of individual users, but it's not important for this discussion. As TFA demonstrates, it's possible for diligent researchers to reveal unpublicized policies through their research. Users can assist researchers by pointing out what content they've had banned. I haven't seen a reason to suspect that TikTok have been any more open about their moderation policies than Facebook or indeed any other social media platform have been.
- kds3 7y ago
  > it's possible for diligent researchers to reveal unpublicized policies through their research It's possible to reveal __some__ policies (like trivial one with breastfeeding), but I think that reverse-engineering of non-trivial policies is really hard. Like moving some type of content to the bottom of the feed for some category of users. It may not look like a ban, but who is gonna scroll to the bottom of the feed? Or 25% bias in news priorities of one political party over another for some users. Their non-trivial policies may also change over time, so it would be hard to prove any of them. They had years to optimize their news feed. And who will have time and knowledge to do statistics? With millions of eyeballs we still have tons of trivial bugs in open source software. > I haven't seen a reason to suspect that TikTok have been any more open about their moderation policies than Facebook or indeed any other social media platform have been. I don't know any of big news players who have open editorial policy, but TikTok is new in the industry and I think they don't have knowledge and technologies to develop non-trivial policies like Facebook, Twitter, NYT or any other big player.
  - jessaustin 7y ago
    The idea that TikTok is newer and therefore likely to have less baroque policies is at least plausible (not necessarily likely, given China's millennia of bureaucratic praxis), unlike every other response to thread parent's question of how they are different from any other networked social service.

by kds3 7y ago

jessaustin 7y ago

The difference is important on the level of individual users, but it's not important for this discussion. As TFA demonstrates, it's possible for diligent researchers to reveal unpublicized policies through their research. Users can assist researchers by pointing out what content they've had banned. I haven't seen a reason to suspect that TikTok have been any more open about their moderation policies than Facebook or indeed any other social media platform have been.

kds3 7y ago
> it's possible for diligent researchers to reveal unpublicized policies through their research It's possible to reveal __some__ policies (like trivial one with breastfeeding), but I think that reverse-engineering of non-trivial policies is really hard. Like moving some type of content to the bottom of the feed for some category of users. It may not look like a ban, but who is gonna scroll to the bottom of the feed? Or 25% bias in news priorities of one political party over another for some users. Their non-trivial policies may also change over time, so it would be hard to prove any of them. They had years to optimize their news feed. And who will have time and knowledge to do statistics? With millions of eyeballs we still have tons of trivial bugs in open source software. > I haven't seen a reason to suspect that TikTok have been any more open about their moderation policies than Facebook or indeed any other social media platform have been. I don't know any of big news players who have open editorial policy, but TikTok is new in the industry and I think they don't have knowledge and technologies to develop non-trivial policies like Facebook, Twitter, NYT or any other big player.
- jessaustin 7y ago
  The idea that TikTok is newer and therefore likely to have less baroque policies is at least plausible (not necessarily likely, given China's millennia of bureaucratic praxis), unlike every other response to thread parent's question of how they are different from any other networked social service.