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Don't worry - assuming the Tories do win a majority, and the UK leaves the EU: Then with the loss of the SM, and no trading relations (probably for 7+ years),

Don't worry - assuming the Tories do win a majority, and the UK leaves the EU: Then with the loss of the SM, and no trading relations (probably for 7+ years), our economy will take a serious hit, and we'll likely suffer some form of recession. There are plenty of us who know that such an economic impact is simply a consequence of our own choices. We're going to be too busy sorting out our own problems, with each domestic side blaming the others, and possibly successive governments from opposite sides of political spectrum. A return to the 70s. So I rather doubt we'll be a threat to any other European state. We'll be navel gazing for some time. Also our conventional forces are seriously eroded, we've wasted money on useless aircraft carriers, and other vanity kit. The real worry should be if the UK becomes a failed state, and some nutter finds the nuclear trigger.

jacquesm 7y ago
> The real worry should be if the UK becomes a failed state I don't rule that out. The amount of venom and irrationality injected into UK politics right now as well as the Scottish / Irish issues combined with a healthy bunch of scapegoating could just about do it. Best case the Union collapses, Scotland joins the EU (against the wishes of Spain this will be a hard thing to accomplish) and Ireland does not fall back into their old habits. It's a serious problem and the number of people that will suffer because of these idiots that are trying hard to diminish the size of the pond so they will appear bigger is going to be in the 10's of millions at best, many more in the worst case.
- Jamwinner 7y ago
  At what point would letting all the gilded royal bs, half-hearted HoC jousting for image, and entrenched party politics fall and starting fresh make sense? To say the UK has some 'technical debt' would be understated at best.
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    That very much depends on the price ticket attached to 'fail'. Agreed on the tech debt, that's an excellent way of putting it. Other people might call it tradition but I think an improvement is long overdue.

jacquesm 7y ago

> The real worry should be if the UK becomes a failed state I don't rule that out. The amount of venom and irrationality injected into UK politics right now as well as the Scottish / Irish issues combined with a healthy bunch of scapegoating could just about do it. Best case the Union collapses, Scotland joins the EU (against the wishes of Spain this will be a hard thing to accomplish) and Ireland does not fall back into their old habits. It's a serious problem and the number of people that will suffer because of these idiots that are trying hard to diminish the size of the pond so they will appear bigger is going to be in the 10's of millions at best, many more in the worst case.

Jamwinner 7y ago
At what point would letting all the gilded royal bs, half-hearted HoC jousting for image, and entrenched party politics fall and starting fresh make sense? To say the UK has some 'technical debt' would be understated at best.
- jacquesm 7y ago
  That very much depends on the price ticket attached to 'fail'. Agreed on the tech debt, that's an excellent way of putting it. Other people might call it tradition but I think an improvement is long overdue.