> few university programs turn you into a good programmer None, in my experience, produce universally good programmers. I think all that can be said is that so

> few university programs turn you into a good programmer None, in my experience, produce universally good programmers. I think all that can be said is that some studies have a higher chance of producing good programmers, but in the end it's up to the student to learn to code while they're there (either using the university's material or not). > I'd say 50 to 80% of companies will skip CVs without a proper degree And the companies that claim they look at skills instead of degrees will want a super amazing candidate before they take the perceived risk of hiring someone without a degree. And then you get to HR and they offer you a salary 30% befitting the work you're hired to do and 70% befitting your "social status" (e.g. high school drop-out).