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I can't see how TikTik censors more than facebook or most other social platforms. This seems only to be a concern since it's the "other" side (Chinese in this c

by s9w 7y ago

I can't see how TikTik censors more than facebook or most other social platforms. This seems only to be a concern since it's the "other" side (Chinese in this case) doing it. > the search for keywords controversial from the point of view of the Chinese Government [...] did not yield any or only very few fitting content Yeah I could give you a nice list of words that results in an similar results page from Google, Youtube or Facebook.

spectramax 7y ago
Not really. Try rallying up support against Xi Jingpin on TikTok?
- pgeorgi 7y ago
  Showing non-sexual images of breasts on facebook may or may not work out well: https://www.facebook.com/the.ban.on.breastfeeding/ https://www.facebook.com/the.ban.on.breastfeeding/ The sensibilities are different but they exist.
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  - jessaustin 7y ago
    Is there breastfeeding on TikTok? More generally, is there anything on TikTok which is banned by Facebook?
    - kds3 7y ago
      > More generally, is there anything on TikTok which is banned by Facebook? That's wrong question. It usually doesn't matter what is banned, but what is "shadow-banned" really matters. You can't see what is shadow-banned on Facebook because they don't tell us how they do moderation on their news feed.
      - jessaustin 7y ago
        The difference is important on the level of individual users, but it's not important for this discussion. As TFA demonstrates, it's possible for diligent researchers to reveal unpublicized policies through their research. Users can assist researchers by pointing out what content they've had banned. I haven't seen a reason to suspect that TikTok have been any more open about their moderation policies than Facebook or indeed any other social media platform have been.
        kds3 7y ago
        > it's possible for diligent researchers to reveal unpublicized policies through their research It's possible to reveal __some__ policies (like trivial one with breastfeeding), but I think that reverse-engineering of non-trivial policies is really hard. Like moving some type of content to the bottom of the feed for some category of users. It may not look like a ban, but who is gonna scroll to the bottom of the feed? Or 25% bias in news priorities of one political party over another for some users. Their non-trivial policies may also change over time, so it would be hard to prove any of them. They had years to optimize their news feed. And who will have time and knowledge to do statistics? With millions of eyeballs we still have tons of trivial bugs in open source software. > I haven't seen a reason to suspect that TikTok have been any more open about their moderation policies than Facebook or indeed any other social media platform have been. I don't know any of big news players who have open editorial policy, but TikTok is new in the industry and I think they don't have knowledge and technologies to develop non-trivial policies like Facebook, Twitter, NYT or any other big player.
        jessaustin 7y ago
        The idea that TikTok is newer and therefore likely to have less baroque policies is at least plausible (not necessarily likely, given China's millennia of bureaucratic praxis), unlike every other response to thread parent's question of how they are different from any other networked social service.
SebastianKra 7y ago
> Yeah I could give you a nice list of words that results in an similar results page from Google, Youtube or Facebook. Could you give me some examples?
- s9w 7y ago
  I would get banned from this site faster than I could say Meinungsfreiheit
  - SebastianKra 7y ago
    Could you point me in the right direction? I genuinely have no clue what could be that taboo.
- 12elephant 7y ago
  Alex Jones, for example, has been removed from YouTube and Facebook.
  - kangnkodos 7y ago
    His account has been removed, but there's still lots of content on Facebook discussing him and his ideas. There are also still lots of people on Facebook who discuss similar ideas. TikTok, on the other hand, has banned/deplatformed certain classes of ideas.
  - SebastianKra 7y ago
    He's still the top result on Google. The parent comment is suggesting that there are topics that there are topics wich would get him banned just for mentioning them.
    - s9w 7y ago
      People have been punished here for answering a very similar question to yours (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19945640 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19945640). Even mentioning Alex Jones is very risky. And depending on the answer to your question might actually get you sued, at least in europe. It's become impossible to say things you're legally allowed to anywhere but very fringe places on the web. [inb4 "private company etc etc": Sites can police speech as they want. Still it's a shame.]

by s9w 7y ago

spectramax 7y ago

Not really. Try rallying up support against Xi Jingpin on TikTok?

pgeorgi 7y ago
Showing non-sexual images of breasts on facebook may or may not work out well: https://www.facebook.com/the.ban.on.breastfeeding/ https://www.facebook.com/the.ban.on.breastfeeding/ The sensibilities are different but they exist.
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- jessaustin 7y ago
  Is there breastfeeding on TikTok? More generally, is there anything on TikTok which is banned by Facebook?
  - kds3 7y ago
    > More generally, is there anything on TikTok which is banned by Facebook? That's wrong question. It usually doesn't matter what is banned, but what is "shadow-banned" really matters. You can't see what is shadow-banned on Facebook because they don't tell us how they do moderation on their news feed.
    - jessaustin 7y ago
      The difference is important on the level of individual users, but it's not important for this discussion. As TFA demonstrates, it's possible for diligent researchers to reveal unpublicized policies through their research. Users can assist researchers by pointing out what content they've had banned. I haven't seen a reason to suspect that TikTok have been any more open about their moderation policies than Facebook or indeed any other social media platform have been.
      - kds3 7y ago
        > it's possible for diligent researchers to reveal unpublicized policies through their research It's possible to reveal __some__ policies (like trivial one with breastfeeding), but I think that reverse-engineering of non-trivial policies is really hard. Like moving some type of content to the bottom of the feed for some category of users. It may not look like a ban, but who is gonna scroll to the bottom of the feed? Or 25% bias in news priorities of one political party over another for some users. Their non-trivial policies may also change over time, so it would be hard to prove any of them. They had years to optimize their news feed. And who will have time and knowledge to do statistics? With millions of eyeballs we still have tons of trivial bugs in open source software. > I haven't seen a reason to suspect that TikTok have been any more open about their moderation policies than Facebook or indeed any other social media platform have been. I don't know any of big news players who have open editorial policy, but TikTok is new in the industry and I think they don't have knowledge and technologies to develop non-trivial policies like Facebook, Twitter, NYT or any other big player.
        jessaustin 7y ago
        The idea that TikTok is newer and therefore likely to have less baroque policies is at least plausible (not necessarily likely, given China's millennia of bureaucratic praxis), unlike every other response to thread parent's question of how they are different from any other networked social service.

SebastianKra 7y ago

> Yeah I could give you a nice list of words that results in an similar results page from Google, Youtube or Facebook. Could you give me some examples?

s9w 7y ago
I would get banned from this site faster than I could say Meinungsfreiheit
- SebastianKra 7y ago
  Could you point me in the right direction? I genuinely have no clue what could be that taboo.
12elephant 7y ago
Alex Jones, for example, has been removed from YouTube and Facebook.
- kangnkodos 7y ago
  His account has been removed, but there's still lots of content on Facebook discussing him and his ideas. There are also still lots of people on Facebook who discuss similar ideas. TikTok, on the other hand, has banned/deplatformed certain classes of ideas.
- SebastianKra 7y ago
  He's still the top result on Google. The parent comment is suggesting that there are topics that there are topics wich would get him banned just for mentioning them.
  - s9w 7y ago
    People have been punished here for answering a very similar question to yours (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19945640 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19945640). Even mentioning Alex Jones is very risky. And depending on the answer to your question might actually get you sued, at least in europe. It's become impossible to say things you're legally allowed to anywhere but very fringe places on the web. [inb4 "private company etc etc": Sites can police speech as they want. Still it's a shame.]