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Any title that gives us a clue why the story is worthy of note. At the moment it's frustrating as you have to click through to find out if you want to click thr

Any title that gives us a clue why the story is worthy of note. At the moment it's frustrating as you have to click through to find out if you want to click through. (title at the time of my comment was "CUDA Toolkit Release Notes")

pilooch 7y ago
As an ML + open source developer for over 10y, MacOS support for deep learning is already long gone, Linux is the prime AI/ML OS. However, Apple and NVidia parting away is a good omen for GPU competition I believe. Whatever Apple hw comes up with, if usable outside MacOS software stack, it'd be an interesting alternative.
- gbrown 7y ago
  crosses fingers in OpenCL
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- navaati 7y ago
  > if usable outside MacOS software stack Except, of course, according to Apple’s history regarding the matter, it won’t.
  - iguy 7y ago
    Unless the swift-for-tensorflow effort cross-fertilises something interesting, I suppose? If you were asked to guess the most likely path by which AMD cards become widely useful, perhaps this would be as good a bet as any.
    - vkaku 7y ago
      Someone will need to get ROCm on MacOS, or something like that. God, I really hope AMD goes out of the deal with Apple as well. I'd rather people abandon macOS early than have to put up with Apple imposed implementations like Metal, HLS and Webkit. At the end of the day, Apple should realize that having money alone does not make you , by any means, a popular company. It's the little things that make people sign up for Apple.
- vkaku 7y ago
  Emphasis on `if usable` I don't think the general crowd will adapt itself to go on to Apple's stack unless it is radically better. Till Apple gets its developers to use what it makes, by enforcing it on its App Store, like the way it pushed people for Webkit - Otherwise it won't have takers.
pvg 7y ago
As the whiner who whined about this title - the story isn't worthy of note at all, other than someone fishing a supposedly-important detail out of it and putting it in the title. Apple hasn't as much as sold a machine with an Nvidia GPU for many years. This non-editorializing thing is explained in great illustrative detail here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21617907 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21617907
- andybak 7y ago
  1. I didn't know the fact highlighted in the original title 2. Doesn't this have an impact on eGPUs, Hackintoshes and other customizations? It basically means heavy GPU-based work is pretty much a Linux/Windows only thing now. Huge problem as machine learning starts to become an interest topic for people in the art and design community.
  - pvg 7y ago
    For 1., again, the standard isn't 'someone might not have known a detail in the story', it's 'does the title represent the story'. If that particular detail is worthy of highlighting, it's easy to find (or even write!) a story about that or point it out in a comment. For 2., that's been the unfortunate case for ages but more importantly, see 1.
    - andybak 7y ago
      It's not a "detail" if it's pretty much the only reason to post or read the story in the first place.
      - pvg 7y ago
        Sure, it might be an important detail to you but that's just not how titling HN stories works, as explained at great length in the thing linked in my comment and many other places.
  - dahart 7y ago
    > Huge problem as machine learning starts to become an interest topic for people in the art and design community. Out of curiosity, what Mac apps are you and other professionals using for art & design? Being a part time artist & ex-Mac person, I thought the stereotype of Mac being an artist/designer’s machine was almost gone. Most professional artists I know have had to switch away from Mac. To be fair, most artists I know are doing 3d and need GPUs. But I’m honestly wondering what else is keeping people on Mac and how well the platform is serving professional designers and artists today.
sergiomattei 7y ago
Agreed. Quite frankly the new title doesn't help people understand why it's newsworthy.
- dang 7y ago
  By the time we changed the title, the comments were making that quite clear.
  - sergiomattei 7y ago
    Good point.

pilooch 7y ago

As an ML + open source developer for over 10y, MacOS support for deep learning is already long gone, Linux is the prime AI/ML OS. However, Apple and NVidia parting away is a good omen for GPU competition I believe. Whatever Apple hw comes up with, if usable outside MacOS software stack, it'd be an interesting alternative.

gbrown 7y ago
crosses fingers in OpenCL
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
navaati 7y ago
> if usable outside MacOS software stack Except, of course, according to Apple’s history regarding the matter, it won’t.
- iguy 7y ago
  Unless the swift-for-tensorflow effort cross-fertilises something interesting, I suppose? If you were asked to guess the most likely path by which AMD cards become widely useful, perhaps this would be as good a bet as any.
  - vkaku 7y ago
    Someone will need to get ROCm on MacOS, or something like that. God, I really hope AMD goes out of the deal with Apple as well. I'd rather people abandon macOS early than have to put up with Apple imposed implementations like Metal, HLS and Webkit. At the end of the day, Apple should realize that having money alone does not make you , by any means, a popular company. It's the little things that make people sign up for Apple.
vkaku 7y ago
Emphasis on `if usable` I don't think the general crowd will adapt itself to go on to Apple's stack unless it is radically better. Till Apple gets its developers to use what it makes, by enforcing it on its App Store, like the way it pushed people for Webkit - Otherwise it won't have takers.

pvg 7y ago

As the whiner who whined about this title - the story isn't worthy of note at all, other than someone fishing a supposedly-important detail out of it and putting it in the title. Apple hasn't as much as sold a machine with an Nvidia GPU for many years. This non-editorializing thing is explained in great illustrative detail here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21617907 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21617907

andybak 7y ago
1. I didn't know the fact highlighted in the original title 2. Doesn't this have an impact on eGPUs, Hackintoshes and other customizations? It basically means heavy GPU-based work is pretty much a Linux/Windows only thing now. Huge problem as machine learning starts to become an interest topic for people in the art and design community.
- pvg 7y ago
  For 1., again, the standard isn't 'someone might not have known a detail in the story', it's 'does the title represent the story'. If that particular detail is worthy of highlighting, it's easy to find (or even write!) a story about that or point it out in a comment. For 2., that's been the unfortunate case for ages but more importantly, see 1.
  - andybak 7y ago
    It's not a "detail" if it's pretty much the only reason to post or read the story in the first place.
    - pvg 7y ago
      Sure, it might be an important detail to you but that's just not how titling HN stories works, as explained at great length in the thing linked in my comment and many other places.
- dahart 7y ago
  > Huge problem as machine learning starts to become an interest topic for people in the art and design community. Out of curiosity, what Mac apps are you and other professionals using for art & design? Being a part time artist & ex-Mac person, I thought the stereotype of Mac being an artist/designer’s machine was almost gone. Most professional artists I know have had to switch away from Mac. To be fair, most artists I know are doing 3d and need GPUs. But I’m honestly wondering what else is keeping people on Mac and how well the platform is serving professional designers and artists today.

sergiomattei 7y ago

Agreed. Quite frankly the new title doesn't help people understand why it's newsworthy.

dang 7y ago
By the time we changed the title, the comments were making that quite clear.
- sergiomattei 7y ago
  Good point.