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That seems like a very one-sided take considering Apple’s history. Moreover, the reason is almost certainly related to Apple not wanting to proliferate Nvidia’

That seems like a very one-sided take considering Apple’s history. Moreover, the reason is almost certainly related to Apple not wanting to proliferate Nvidia’s tools and instead force developers to use their Metal API. AFAIK Apple’s even abandoned OpenCL on macOS.

sbuk 7y ago
So, you are aguing that NVidia constantly messing up when Apple have used them in good faith as a supplier, followed by the subsequent denial of problems even existing by NVIdia and their refusal to accept any culpability (see Bumpgate), is "a very one-sided take" and eschew it in the belief that this is all about pushing Metal? That seems like the very narrowly held view to me. Perhaps they are thinking the way you propose, but since NVidia hasn't figured anywhere in any of Apple's hardware since Bumpgate, I'd suggest that NVidia being a bad partner has considerably more to do with it.
- benologist 7y ago
  Nearly a decade has passed since nVidia messed up one generation of laptops so probably it's time to let it go. Grudges don't really help anyone, and Apple's so far from innocent they shouldn't promote grudges as solutions to problems, especially as alternatives to consumer-friendly hardware support. In much more recent times Apple themselves ruined four generations of laptops and were deceptive and dishonest about it, until they grudgingly rolled out their free keyboard replacement program which starts expiring for their earliest victims at the end of next year. Apple chose to experiment for 3 additional years at, in aggregate, major expense and inconvenience to their customers. nVidia was never as bad as Apple and it's hypocritical too. How many Foxconn employees killed themselves without Apple permanently prohibiting working with Foxconn? How many child workers have they found in their supply chain without terminating their relationship with suppliers? nVidia obviously solved their one issue, and went on to ship millions of chips in laptops since then without problem.
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  - sbuk 7y ago
    Apple’s behaviour is irrelevant in this instance. It has nothing to do with the situation being discussed. Your second paragraph, while containing the seed of facts, is total hyperbole. It certainly isn’t worse than refusing to acknowledge anything was wrong and then refusing to pay for the repairs! This is precisely what NVidia did. At least Apple repaired the keyboards! Your last paragraph is the usual trite rhetoric to anything that can be deemed ‘pro Apple’. Both items have been addressed by Apple (https://www.apple.com/uk/supplier-responsibility/ https://www.apple.com/uk/supplier-responsibility/) albeit after pressure, and they are continuing to apply pressure and drop suppliers that don’t meet their requirements.

sbuk 7y ago

So, you are aguing that NVidia constantly messing up when Apple have used them in good faith as a supplier, followed by the subsequent denial of problems even existing by NVIdia and their refusal to accept any culpability (see Bumpgate), is "a very one-sided take" and eschew it in the belief that this is all about pushing Metal? That seems like the very narrowly held view to me. Perhaps they are thinking the way you propose, but since NVidia hasn't figured anywhere in any of Apple's hardware since Bumpgate, I'd suggest that NVidia being a bad partner has considerably more to do with it.

benologist 7y ago
Nearly a decade has passed since nVidia messed up one generation of laptops so probably it's time to let it go. Grudges don't really help anyone, and Apple's so far from innocent they shouldn't promote grudges as solutions to problems, especially as alternatives to consumer-friendly hardware support. In much more recent times Apple themselves ruined four generations of laptops and were deceptive and dishonest about it, until they grudgingly rolled out their free keyboard replacement program which starts expiring for their earliest victims at the end of next year. Apple chose to experiment for 3 additional years at, in aggregate, major expense and inconvenience to their customers. nVidia was never as bad as Apple and it's hypocritical too. How many Foxconn employees killed themselves without Apple permanently prohibiting working with Foxconn? How many child workers have they found in their supply chain without terminating their relationship with suppliers? nVidia obviously solved their one issue, and went on to ship millions of chips in laptops since then without problem.
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- sbuk 7y ago
  Apple’s behaviour is irrelevant in this instance. It has nothing to do with the situation being discussed. Your second paragraph, while containing the seed of facts, is total hyperbole. It certainly isn’t worse than refusing to acknowledge anything was wrong and then refusing to pay for the repairs! This is precisely what NVidia did. At least Apple repaired the keyboards! Your last paragraph is the usual trite rhetoric to anything that can be deemed ‘pro Apple’. Both items have been addressed by Apple (https://www.apple.com/uk/supplier-responsibility/ https://www.apple.com/uk/supplier-responsibility/) albeit after pressure, and they are continuing to apply pressure and drop suppliers that don’t meet their requirements.