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> you have to livestream your stay Oh, just like airbnb, except you pay $25+/nite and you're not told you're being livestreamed.

samstave 7y ago
Minus the shootings, rape and murder though. 1, 2, 3, 4.... among many. 1. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-03/airbnb-says-its-banning-party-houses-after-deadly-halloween-shooting-in-orinda https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-03/airbnb-s... 2. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/travel/airbnb-lawsuit-host-sexual-assault.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/travel/airbnb-lawsuit-hos... 3. https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/world/article181935356.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/world/article181935... 4. https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/12/22/Family-of-woman-slain-in-Costa-Rica-sues-Airbnb-resort-owners/8081545501857/ https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/12/22/Family-of-woman-s...
Razengan 7y ago
Was there an Airbnb case like that?
- fold_right 7y ago
  Yeah: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/05/europe/ireland-airbnb-hidden-camera-scli-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/05/europe/ireland-airbnb-hidden-...
  - yoz-y 7y ago
    I am puzzled, why did not they call the police?
    - DanBC 7y ago
      Hidden cameras in AirBnBs are horrible. But what crime in Irish law do you think has been broken?
      - CriticalCathed 7y ago
        Reading the article it really appears that this wasn't an attempt at spying on them. So unless there's some kind of wiretapping law in Ireland...
      - dtech 7y ago
        I don't know about Ireland, but in most placed in Europe you can not film people without their knowledge unless it's a public place.
        DanBC 7y ago
        But is that in criminal or civil law? EDIT: If someone wants to link some laws that's be useful. For the downvoters: I am clearly NOT saying it's okay to hide cameras in an AirBnB. But it's probably not a criminal offence. The police have no power here. I'm NOT saying it's lawful -- the AirBnB owners are probably violating Irish data protection laws. But again those are not enforced by the police. In the UK it's not a criminal offence unless it meets the definition in the sexual offences act 2003, and putting cameras in the living room but not the bedroom probably gives the owners enough deniability to avoid prosecution. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/67 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/67
        Sharlin 7y ago
        Criminal, obviously.
        DanBC 7y ago
        No, absolutely not "obviously". It's not a criminal offence in the UK to film people without their knowledge. It breaks data protection law (civil); there are regulations (RIPA) for public authorities but these do not apply to members of the public ; and there is criminal law that covers covert recording if done for sexual gratification, but those may not apply if the cameras have not been placed in toilets or bedrooms. Can you link any of these laws please? Especially for Ireland. I can't find anything for Ireland that would make this a criminal offence. Again, I'm not defending it. I think it's an awful thing to do. But "why didn't they call the police?" is answered by "maybe they did and the police told them it's not a police matter".
- walrus01 7y ago
  A lot, actually. Google "hidden camera Airbnb"
curiousgal 7y ago
Oh, just like a hotel except you pay $200+/nite and you're not told you're being livestreamed. Oh I thought we were just listing obvious options. I assume your point is that $25 is cheap but it's not to everyone.
madiathomas 7y ago
They must get some credit for full disclosure and giving you a discount for it. Unlike Airbnb which is charging you normal fee and still live-stream your stay. The other thing good about this hotel is that you can put measures in place to minimise exposure of your genitals because you know it is livestreamed.

samstave 7y ago

Minus the shootings, rape and murder though. 1, 2, 3, 4.... among many. 1. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-03/airbnb-says-its-banning-party-houses-after-deadly-halloween-shooting-in-orinda https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-03/airbnb-s... 2. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/travel/airbnb-lawsuit-host-sexual-assault.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/travel/airbnb-lawsuit-hos... 3. https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/world/article181935356.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/world/article181935... 4. https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/12/22/Family-of-woman-slain-in-Costa-Rica-sues-Airbnb-resort-owners/8081545501857/ https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/12/22/Family-of-woman-s...

Razengan 7y ago

Was there an Airbnb case like that?

fold_right 7y ago
Yeah: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/05/europe/ireland-airbnb-hidden-camera-scli-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/05/europe/ireland-airbnb-hidden-...
- yoz-y 7y ago
  I am puzzled, why did not they call the police?
  - DanBC 7y ago
    Hidden cameras in AirBnBs are horrible. But what crime in Irish law do you think has been broken?
    - CriticalCathed 7y ago
      Reading the article it really appears that this wasn't an attempt at spying on them. So unless there's some kind of wiretapping law in Ireland...
    - dtech 7y ago
      I don't know about Ireland, but in most placed in Europe you can not film people without their knowledge unless it's a public place.
      - DanBC 7y ago
        But is that in criminal or civil law? EDIT: If someone wants to link some laws that's be useful. For the downvoters: I am clearly NOT saying it's okay to hide cameras in an AirBnB. But it's probably not a criminal offence. The police have no power here. I'm NOT saying it's lawful -- the AirBnB owners are probably violating Irish data protection laws. But again those are not enforced by the police. In the UK it's not a criminal offence unless it meets the definition in the sexual offences act 2003, and putting cameras in the living room but not the bedroom probably gives the owners enough deniability to avoid prosecution. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/67 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/67
        Sharlin 7y ago
        Criminal, obviously.
        DanBC 7y ago
        No, absolutely not "obviously". It's not a criminal offence in the UK to film people without their knowledge. It breaks data protection law (civil); there are regulations (RIPA) for public authorities but these do not apply to members of the public ; and there is criminal law that covers covert recording if done for sexual gratification, but those may not apply if the cameras have not been placed in toilets or bedrooms. Can you link any of these laws please? Especially for Ireland. I can't find anything for Ireland that would make this a criminal offence. Again, I'm not defending it. I think it's an awful thing to do. But "why didn't they call the police?" is answered by "maybe they did and the police told them it's not a police matter".
walrus01 7y ago
A lot, actually. Google "hidden camera Airbnb"

curiousgal 7y ago

Oh, just like a hotel except you pay $200+/nite and you're not told you're being livestreamed. Oh I thought we were just listing obvious options. I assume your point is that $25 is cheap but it's not to everyone.

madiathomas 7y ago

They must get some credit for full disclosure and giving you a discount for it. Unlike Airbnb which is charging you normal fee and still live-stream your stay. The other thing good about this hotel is that you can put measures in place to minimise exposure of your genitals because you know it is livestreamed.