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Is it true that Bush Jr. can't leave the U.S. because he'd be arrested and tried for war crimes?

by jacobwilliamroy 7y ago

everdev 7y ago
No, where did you hear that?
- jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
  Back in 2011 he cancelled a trip to switzerland after some human rights groups had threatened to have him arrested and tried if he ever set foot there.
  - masonic 7y ago
    some human rights groups had threatened to have him arrested I wasn't aware that random groups had arrest powers in Switzerland.
    - jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
      Well they don't. Not sure if the swiss legal system is set up to prosecute criminals in universal jurisdiction. In germany around 2006, a private citizen, Wolfgang Kaleck filed a lawsuit against Donald Rumsfeld and other criminals who perpetrated abu ghraib and guantamo, which the German government only barely managed to ignore because none of the targets of the lawsuit were actually on german soil at the time the suit was filed. I'm also curious to know if that ever went anywhere.
    - afroboy 7y ago
      Actually they did one time when one of the ruthless generals of Algeria was got arrested in Switzerland because of two human rights peoples. but it was released.
zamadatix 7y ago
I'd assume not considering he has left the US multiple times since his presidency and does not seem to be under arrest. There was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_Lumpur_War_Crimes_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_Lumpur_War_Crimes_Commis... but if you read about that the connection to the questioned claim (and the claims of the linked commission) have dubious basis at best. When you hear something that makes you ask whether or not it's true it's best to try to validate or invalidate it quickly rather than hold onto it. In this case a simple Google search saves a lot of assumption.
- jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
  Has he gone to europe before or since he cancelled that trip to switzerland in 2011, when those lawyers were threatening to have him arrested and tried?
- jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
  After having a good think about it, I do believe it would be unwise for bush jr to enter any country which can prosecute criminals in universal jurisdiction. It would just be really awkward for everyone if some savvy lawyer filed the right paperwork to get him arrested. Either bush is executed or imprisoned, hurting international relations, or the state running the investigation simply ignores its own laws and demonstrates to the world that the U.S. can torture with impunity. Neither scenario would be fun to muddle through. Much less risky for everyone if bush jr just hangs out in texas painting watercolors.

Is it true that Bush Jr. can't leave the U.S. because he'd be arrested and tried for war crimes?

everdev 7y ago

No, where did you hear that?

jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
Back in 2011 he cancelled a trip to switzerland after some human rights groups had threatened to have him arrested and tried if he ever set foot there.
- masonic 7y ago
  some human rights groups had threatened to have him arrested I wasn't aware that random groups had arrest powers in Switzerland.
  - jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
    Well they don't. Not sure if the swiss legal system is set up to prosecute criminals in universal jurisdiction. In germany around 2006, a private citizen, Wolfgang Kaleck filed a lawsuit against Donald Rumsfeld and other criminals who perpetrated abu ghraib and guantamo, which the German government only barely managed to ignore because none of the targets of the lawsuit were actually on german soil at the time the suit was filed. I'm also curious to know if that ever went anywhere.
  - afroboy 7y ago
    Actually they did one time when one of the ruthless generals of Algeria was got arrested in Switzerland because of two human rights peoples. but it was released.

zamadatix 7y ago

I'd assume not considering he has left the US multiple times since his presidency and does not seem to be under arrest. There was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_Lumpur_War_Crimes_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_Lumpur_War_Crimes_Commis... but if you read about that the connection to the questioned claim (and the claims of the linked commission) have dubious basis at best. When you hear something that makes you ask whether or not it's true it's best to try to validate or invalidate it quickly rather than hold onto it. In this case a simple Google search saves a lot of assumption.

jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
Has he gone to europe before or since he cancelled that trip to switzerland in 2011, when those lawyers were threatening to have him arrested and tried?
jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
After having a good think about it, I do believe it would be unwise for bush jr to enter any country which can prosecute criminals in universal jurisdiction. It would just be really awkward for everyone if some savvy lawyer filed the right paperwork to get him arrested. Either bush is executed or imprisoned, hurting international relations, or the state running the investigation simply ignores its own laws and demonstrates to the world that the U.S. can torture with impunity. Neither scenario would be fun to muddle through. Much less risky for everyone if bush jr just hangs out in texas painting watercolors.