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It’s honestly sad to me that this article would be considered “ideological”. Once politics becomes your ethnic or moral identity, it becomes impossible to comp

It’s honestly sad to me that this article would be considered “ideological”. Once politics becomes your ethnic or moral identity, it becomes impossible to compromise, because compromise becomes dishonor. - David Brooks

rectang 7y ago
Of course David Brooks objects to "the personal is the political". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_personal_is_political https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_personal_is_political He is a conservative who strives to limit debate to avoid unfavorable turf, and rape is an inconvenient subject for him. But rape happens, even if it's not fun for David Brooks to talk about.
- forgingahead 7y ago
  @rectang, are you able to respond with an intelligent rebuttal of parent's point? That making politics a part of one's core identity makes it impossible to compromise, hence citizens in a heterogenous society should strive to minimize things that prevent compromise and co-existence? Or do you just have the ad-hominem that "Brooks is a conservative!!!"?
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That just makes this place even worse, which is why they specifically ask you not to reply like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 7y ago
  Would you please stop? There's nothing noble about this kind of internet battle. It's a petty pursuit that just damages the container here, which is fragile to begin with and all too easy to wreck. If you care about correcting the injustices of rape, no doubt there are many ways; smiting internet enemies isn't one.
dang 7y ago
I didn't say anything about the article. The trouble is that your comment was a step into ideological flamewar. Just look at the results it led to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21618367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21618367. You singled out a provocative point about an inflammatory topic and then made it even more provocative by using ideological flamewar language ("the narrative they have created"). That's going the wrong way down a one-way street. When commenting here, try to step away from provocation, not further in!
- celeritascelery 7y ago
  You’re right. I should have phrased that in a way that was not provocative.

rectang 7y ago

Of course David Brooks objects to "the personal is the political". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_personal_is_political https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_personal_is_political He is a conservative who strives to limit debate to avoid unfavorable turf, and rape is an inconvenient subject for him. But rape happens, even if it's not fun for David Brooks to talk about.

forgingahead 7y ago
@rectang, are you able to respond with an intelligent rebuttal of parent's point? That making politics a part of one's core identity makes it impossible to compromise, hence citizens in a heterogenous society should strive to minimize things that prevent compromise and co-existence? Or do you just have the ad-hominem that "Brooks is a conservative!!!"?
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That just makes this place even worse, which is why they specifically ask you not to reply like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 7y ago
Would you please stop? There's nothing noble about this kind of internet battle. It's a petty pursuit that just damages the container here, which is fragile to begin with and all too easy to wreck. If you care about correcting the injustices of rape, no doubt there are many ways; smiting internet enemies isn't one.

dang 7y ago

I didn't say anything about the article. The trouble is that your comment was a step into ideological flamewar. Just look at the results it led to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21618367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21618367. You singled out a provocative point about an inflammatory topic and then made it even more provocative by using ideological flamewar language ("the narrative they have created"). That's going the wrong way down a one-way street. When commenting here, try to step away from provocation, not further in!

celeritascelery 7y ago
You’re right. I should have phrased that in a way that was not provocative.