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Additionally, people who are targeting kids will almost definitely classify theirs as kid-safe. This is not going to help anyone. Unless parents are willing to

Additionally, people who are targeting kids will almost definitely classify theirs as kid-safe. This is not going to help anyone. Unless parents are willing to take off these devices from their kids they will discover these videos in 5 video watches.

mattrp 7y ago
We really struggle with YouTube - for ex. You can’t block it because Kahn Academy uses YouTube. And quite a lot of kids content is really informative and great content. But I can’t tell you how many times we are watching and it literally spirals out of control. One second you’re watching an official frozen 2 trailer, the next you’re watching some jerk’s fan movie made of clips from the original frozen interspersed with wildly inappropriate dialogue and content from other non kid movies. A better scenario is simply to turn off the device and as a lifelong programmer this conclusion really saddens me.
- trevyn 7y ago
  Do they still have the YouTube Kids app or whatever it is with whitelisted content?
  - lstamour 7y ago
    Unless they’ve changed things, I thought the YouTube Kids app was still algorithm-driven?
  - mattrp 7y ago
    It’s even worse. There were some articles awhile back about just how scary awful YouTube kids was...
- crankylinuxuser 7y ago
  Maybe this is a bit out there as a solution, but you could set up Streama (1) and set up a directory where the videos get loaded in. Then you can allow your children to access Streama and they can watch without worry. (1) https://github.com/streamaserver/streama https://github.com/streamaserver/streama
  - mattrp 7y ago
    interesting solution but for now just turning it off seems to be much preferred. We’ve noticed our kids engage their imaginations and are much better behaved the less time they spend online.
    - ghthor 7y ago
      We've noticed the same thing about out 9 year old girl. He behavior radically changes for the worst after shes been watching videos of her choosing from youtube.
- buboard 7y ago
  Why dont they promote the use of user-curated playlists? Kids should be limited to a standard youtube curriculum; they re not for experiments.
  - Already__Taken 7y ago
    They can do it, Our g-suite side of YT lets me assign users that can approve videos or channels for the org. It's useless because once you log into YT you can't make playlists or I think subscribe without making a channel, by default that's first name/last name. even if I could I can't stop them uploading content. So the tiny org proofing tools that are there I can't use anyway. I swear YT don't even use their own product.
  - shotashotshota 7y ago
    Because every company ever (especially software companies) are all about making moneys and employing 1000s of new employees to curate contents isn't very profitable. They will try to automate everything even if it doesn't work because they know this is the future. Until we have perfected the art, we are stuck with this ridiculous misjudgement by the algorithm because its really, really, dumb. Even if they do hire actual real human, they hire them as cheap labors, not as legitimate jobs (see Facebook)
    - buboard 7y ago
      > new employees to curate contents isn't very profitable No i mean user-curated playlists
judge2020 7y ago
> people who are targeting kids will almost definitely classify theirs as kid-safe. That's the goal - if this is checked by the creator (for the specific video or for the entire channel), it will have personalized ads disabled for the video plus disable whatever tracking systems Google has for regular watching.

mattrp 7y ago

We really struggle with YouTube - for ex. You can’t block it because Kahn Academy uses YouTube. And quite a lot of kids content is really informative and great content. But I can’t tell you how many times we are watching and it literally spirals out of control. One second you’re watching an official frozen 2 trailer, the next you’re watching some jerk’s fan movie made of clips from the original frozen interspersed with wildly inappropriate dialogue and content from other non kid movies. A better scenario is simply to turn off the device and as a lifelong programmer this conclusion really saddens me.

trevyn 7y ago
Do they still have the YouTube Kids app or whatever it is with whitelisted content?
- lstamour 7y ago
  Unless they’ve changed things, I thought the YouTube Kids app was still algorithm-driven?
- mattrp 7y ago
  It’s even worse. There were some articles awhile back about just how scary awful YouTube kids was...
crankylinuxuser 7y ago
Maybe this is a bit out there as a solution, but you could set up Streama (1) and set up a directory where the videos get loaded in. Then you can allow your children to access Streama and they can watch without worry. (1) https://github.com/streamaserver/streama https://github.com/streamaserver/streama
- mattrp 7y ago
  interesting solution but for now just turning it off seems to be much preferred. We’ve noticed our kids engage their imaginations and are much better behaved the less time they spend online.
  - ghthor 7y ago
    We've noticed the same thing about out 9 year old girl. He behavior radically changes for the worst after shes been watching videos of her choosing from youtube.
buboard 7y ago
Why dont they promote the use of user-curated playlists? Kids should be limited to a standard youtube curriculum; they re not for experiments.
- Already__Taken 7y ago
  They can do it, Our g-suite side of YT lets me assign users that can approve videos or channels for the org. It's useless because once you log into YT you can't make playlists or I think subscribe without making a channel, by default that's first name/last name. even if I could I can't stop them uploading content. So the tiny org proofing tools that are there I can't use anyway. I swear YT don't even use their own product.
- shotashotshota 7y ago
  Because every company ever (especially software companies) are all about making moneys and employing 1000s of new employees to curate contents isn't very profitable. They will try to automate everything even if it doesn't work because they know this is the future. Until we have perfected the art, we are stuck with this ridiculous misjudgement by the algorithm because its really, really, dumb. Even if they do hire actual real human, they hire them as cheap labors, not as legitimate jobs (see Facebook)
  - buboard 7y ago
    > new employees to curate contents isn't very profitable No i mean user-curated playlists

judge2020 7y ago

> people who are targeting kids will almost definitely classify theirs as kid-safe. That's the goal - if this is checked by the creator (for the specific video or for the entire channel), it will have personalized ads disabled for the video plus disable whatever tracking systems Google has for regular watching.