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It isn't beneficial to the poor suckers whose livelihoods are taken so that the giver has "unconditional" "gifts" to give I'm sure with "no strings attached"

by vanniv 7y ago

crooked-v 7y ago
The "poor suckers" in this case are people donating to charity, and the unconditional gifts are, in fact, actually unconditional gifts, specifically set up that way so the effects of them can be studied.
- blackflame 7y ago
  UBI is not a donation. It is forcibly taken at gunpoint (though they will ask nicely many times before pulling out the gun). Also, there can be no "unconditional" giving without "unconditional" taking in a world with finite resources.
  - crooked-v 7y ago
    The article this comment thread is about is about a study of efficiency of charity methods. It is useful for studying possible effects of UBI-like programs, but it isn't about UBI. As for UBI specifically... > It is forcibly taken at gunpoint (though they will ask nicely many times before pulling out the gun). This is the case with all taxes. > Also, there can be no "unconditional" giving without "unconditional" taking in a world with finite resources. This already happens all the time. The money for the military and Medicare has to come from somewhere, after all.
    - blackflame 7y ago
      "This already happens all the time. The money for the military and Medicare has to come from somewhere, after all." - This is such poor reasoning to kill all incentive to work in America. Socialism is a disease and people who support it are mentally ill or stand to benefit as the gatekeeper of the resources. But you're probably a closet racist/elitist who thinks they are better than other people and thus should be the arbiter of there safety and prosperity by managing their wealth for them in convenient little payments from your tit to keep them docile and dependent.

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It isn't beneficial to the poor suckers whose livelihoods are taken so that the giver has "unconditional" "gifts" to give I'm sure with "no strings attached"

by vanniv 7y ago

It isn't beneficial to the poor suckers whose livelihoods are taken so that the giver has "unconditional" "gifts" to give I'm sure with "no strings attached"

crooked-v 7y ago
The "poor suckers" in this case are people donating to charity, and the unconditional gifts are, in fact, actually unconditional gifts, specifically set up that way so the effects of them can be studied.
- blackflame 7y ago
  UBI is not a donation. It is forcibly taken at gunpoint (though they will ask nicely many times before pulling out the gun). Also, there can be no "unconditional" giving without "unconditional" taking in a world with finite resources.
  - crooked-v 7y ago
    The article this comment thread is about is about a study of efficiency of charity methods. It is useful for studying possible effects of UBI-like programs, but it isn't about UBI. As for UBI specifically... > It is forcibly taken at gunpoint (though they will ask nicely many times before pulling out the gun). This is the case with all taxes. > Also, there can be no "unconditional" giving without "unconditional" taking in a world with finite resources. This already happens all the time. The money for the military and Medicare has to come from somewhere, after all.
    - blackflame 7y ago
      "This already happens all the time. The money for the military and Medicare has to come from somewhere, after all." - This is such poor reasoning to kill all incentive to work in America. Socialism is a disease and people who support it are mentally ill or stand to benefit as the gatekeeper of the resources. But you're probably a closet racist/elitist who thinks they are better than other people and thus should be the arbiter of there safety and prosperity by managing their wealth for them in convenient little payments from your tit to keep them docile and dependent.