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>For the sake of enlightening discussion, could you please express your disagreement in words rather than the downvote button? I'll give it a try: maybe it's

>For the sake of enlightening discussion, could you please express your disagreement in words rather than the downvote button? I'll give it a try: maybe it's because someone made an off-hand comment about Tesla shipping a default password, and you chimed in with an apologetic post that reads a lot like astro-turfing? >did this with almost zero paid marketing Traditional marketing. Tesla spends millions on marketing annually, it's right there in their financials. Just recently a pile of pro-Tesla Twitter bot accounts were banned. Did you know that Tesla is paying people to post messages on social media?

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marvin 7y ago
I am not affiliated with Tesla or paid by them in any way, if you're implying that. Was also not making apologies for shipping devices with guessable passwords, that's obviously a serious screwup that needs to be fixed - ideally at a level of changing the engineering culture if that's what it takes. But the rest of this thread treats that subject in depth, and I wouldn't contribute anything material to that discussion beyond piling on, which is a bad use of time and brain power. Thought I made it quite clear in my comment that I was specifically adressing the discussion of sub-par software engineering practices, and how this is a very common consequence of extreme growth. I know Tesla has a marketing budget and marketing people, that's obvious enough, so traditional marketing was indeed what I meant. Maybe I could have made that more clear. Wasn't aware that they're paying people to astroturf though; first I hear of this. Do you have proof of it?
- xedeon 7y ago
  > Wasn't aware that they're paying people to astroturf though; first I hear of this. Do you have proof of it? They are not and he can't/will not be able to provide proof because it's a false claim.
xedeon 7y ago
> Traditional marketing. Tesla spends millions on marketing annually, it's right there in their financials. Just recently a pile of pro-Tesla Twitter bot accounts were banned. Did you know that Tesla is paying people to post messages on social media? Umm what? I can assure you that most pro-Tesla Twitter accounts are happy owners. I know cause I am one. The amount of FUD on Twitter directed against Tesla is insane! I created my Twitter account in February 2008 and it has pretty much stayed dormant for the most part. Until I bought a Model S and discovered the TSLAQ trolls and often challenge their B.S. claims with actual sources. Case in point: https://twitter.com/teslahistorian https://twitter.com/teslahistorian > Just recently a pile of pro-Tesla Twitter bot accounts were banned. > Did you know that Tesla is paying people to post messages on social media? Care to cite your source on these?!

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marvin 7y ago

I am not affiliated with Tesla or paid by them in any way, if you're implying that. Was also not making apologies for shipping devices with guessable passwords, that's obviously a serious screwup that needs to be fixed - ideally at a level of changing the engineering culture if that's what it takes. But the rest of this thread treats that subject in depth, and I wouldn't contribute anything material to that discussion beyond piling on, which is a bad use of time and brain power. Thought I made it quite clear in my comment that I was specifically adressing the discussion of sub-par software engineering practices, and how this is a very common consequence of extreme growth. I know Tesla has a marketing budget and marketing people, that's obvious enough, so traditional marketing was indeed what I meant. Maybe I could have made that more clear. Wasn't aware that they're paying people to astroturf though; first I hear of this. Do you have proof of it?

xedeon 7y ago
> Wasn't aware that they're paying people to astroturf though; first I hear of this. Do you have proof of it? They are not and he can't/will not be able to provide proof because it's a false claim.

xedeon 7y ago

> Traditional marketing. Tesla spends millions on marketing annually, it's right there in their financials. Just recently a pile of pro-Tesla Twitter bot accounts were banned. Did you know that Tesla is paying people to post messages on social media? Umm what? I can assure you that most pro-Tesla Twitter accounts are happy owners. I know cause I am one. The amount of FUD on Twitter directed against Tesla is insane! I created my Twitter account in February 2008 and it has pretty much stayed dormant for the most part. Until I bought a Model S and discovered the TSLAQ trolls and often challenge their B.S. claims with actual sources. Case in point: https://twitter.com/teslahistorian https://twitter.com/teslahistorian > Just recently a pile of pro-Tesla Twitter bot accounts were banned. > Did you know that Tesla is paying people to post messages on social media? Care to cite your source on these?!