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Sounds like a company tailoring its products to its market. This has happened forever, its just that the U.S market is no longer the biggest or most important o

Sounds like a company tailoring its products to its market. This has happened forever, its just that the U.S market is no longer the biggest or most important one.

humanrebar 7y ago
The Chinese government is not actually a market. It is a regulator and possibly a customer.
- imglorp 7y ago
  Or, another possibility, even someone who can do favors. It's said Pablo Escobar didn't need to arrange those escapes from prison: he didn't have to ask. It was done for him because he would be grateful to his benefactors.
  - humanrebar 7y ago
    I was making a comment that "market" is a plural word. If it's a single entity involved, it is not a market. Even a discrete or organized set of entities is not a market. Accomadating, implicitly or explicitly, the Chinese government is not respecting or listening to a market because the Chinese government is not a market. This is a different kind of relationship to "people who buy iPhones" or "Canadians".
lettergram 7y ago
The US market is still 3-4x China in terms of market size: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_consumer_markets https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_consumer_mar...
- y4mi 7y ago
  Not if you're thinking of growth. They already'captured' so much of the us market that catering to it has sever denimishing returns. Most people already in the ecosystem will keep buying it no matter what Apple does. I'm China, they stand to gain a lot of new customers by catering to their wishes (or more specifically the wishes of their government)
  - lettergram 7y ago
    I mean, it’s still the 2nd largest market. I wasn’t trying to make any claims, just pointing out the US market is indeed the largest market by a large margin.
- scottlocklin 7y ago
  Doesn't really matter if your entire supply chain is in China. Globalist economic ideologues forget to mention this. You stick your supply chain in a totalitarian state with artificially cheap labor costs, and you pretty much have to do as they say. Good luck sourcing chips for future military systems.
  - q3k 7y ago
    > Good luck sourcing chips for future military systems. There's still comparatively little high-tech silicon fabrication in mainland China.
  - lettergram 7y ago
    Intel has a large portion of their chip manufacturing in the US...
  - thawaway1837 7y ago
    It would be so much better for the people in HK if Apple and the US had no economic influence there at all I’m sure. Apple and the Americans that work for it would be so much richer if the majority of its revenue (international vs US) just disappeared.
  - kerng 7y ago
    Majority of silicon chips are not made in China - this is one if the big misunderstandings
    - remarkEon 7y ago
      And an even bigger misunderstanding is thinking that this negates or somehow neutralizes the fact that so much high tech manufacturing takes place in mainland China. I get it - China hasn’t done complex silicon fabrication yet (at least at scale). But the risk here isn’t a Chinese company replacing e.g. Intel and the US Military (stupidly) putting those chips in their hardware. It’s China MITMing the supply chain as it exists today.
deogeo 7y ago
Good job framing opposition to government-corporate censorship as a symptom of US self-importance!
- eirini1 7y ago
  but this kind of censorship has occured forever. It was just for the sake of the US, instead of China. To those outside of the US, not much has changed.
maxerickson 7y ago
Corporations are actually pretty fucking new in the scheme of things. We don't have to treat them as a force of nature.
- jotm 7y ago
  They should be better regulated, but companies have been big for centuries, few come close to the power held by companies in various colonies.
  - maxerickson 7y ago
    Yes, I am not grievously historically illiterate.
  - wavefunction 7y ago
    >few come close to the power held by companies in various colonies any petty despot enjoys the same level of power
    - yourbandsucks 7y ago
      Not really. Despots usually have politics to deal with. Not everything is possible. The companies in question had a massive technological and force advantage over the local populace with free reign when it came to managing dissent with force. Their only political concerns were back in Europe.
  - Retric 7y ago
    Companies have not been big for very long. Stock only dates back 400 years, but try and find 10 giant companies with 100,000 employees from 300 years ago. It’s really better transportation and communication that’s allowed modern giants to be created. With the railroad and telegraph kicking things into high gear.
    - dleslie 7y ago
      Would even HBC and the various East India companies reach that size, at that time?
riffraff 7y ago
but at this point in time, companies are bending over to satisfy regulators of a part of the market affecting all the rest. In the past, you would get parts of a movie, titles, jokes or whatever censored in some part of the world, and not elsewhere. Now to avoid upsetting the CCP companies decide to not use potentially offensive content all over the world. It's terrifying.

Sounds like a company tailoring its products to its market. This has happened forever, its just that the U.S market is no longer the biggest or most important one.

humanrebar 7y ago

The Chinese government is not actually a market. It is a regulator and possibly a customer.

imglorp 7y ago
Or, another possibility, even someone who can do favors. It's said Pablo Escobar didn't need to arrange those escapes from prison: he didn't have to ask. It was done for him because he would be grateful to his benefactors.
- humanrebar 7y ago
  I was making a comment that "market" is a plural word. If it's a single entity involved, it is not a market. Even a discrete or organized set of entities is not a market. Accomadating, implicitly or explicitly, the Chinese government is not respecting or listening to a market because the Chinese government is not a market. This is a different kind of relationship to "people who buy iPhones" or "Canadians".

lettergram 7y ago

The US market is still 3-4x China in terms of market size: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_consumer_markets https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_consumer_mar...

y4mi 7y ago
Not if you're thinking of growth. They already'captured' so much of the us market that catering to it has sever denimishing returns. Most people already in the ecosystem will keep buying it no matter what Apple does. I'm China, they stand to gain a lot of new customers by catering to their wishes (or more specifically the wishes of their government)
- lettergram 7y ago
  I mean, it’s still the 2nd largest market. I wasn’t trying to make any claims, just pointing out the US market is indeed the largest market by a large margin.
scottlocklin 7y ago
Doesn't really matter if your entire supply chain is in China. Globalist economic ideologues forget to mention this. You stick your supply chain in a totalitarian state with artificially cheap labor costs, and you pretty much have to do as they say. Good luck sourcing chips for future military systems.
- q3k 7y ago
  > Good luck sourcing chips for future military systems. There's still comparatively little high-tech silicon fabrication in mainland China.
- lettergram 7y ago
  Intel has a large portion of their chip manufacturing in the US...
- thawaway1837 7y ago
  It would be so much better for the people in HK if Apple and the US had no economic influence there at all I’m sure. Apple and the Americans that work for it would be so much richer if the majority of its revenue (international vs US) just disappeared.
- kerng 7y ago
  Majority of silicon chips are not made in China - this is one if the big misunderstandings
  - remarkEon 7y ago
    And an even bigger misunderstanding is thinking that this negates or somehow neutralizes the fact that so much high tech manufacturing takes place in mainland China. I get it - China hasn’t done complex silicon fabrication yet (at least at scale). But the risk here isn’t a Chinese company replacing e.g. Intel and the US Military (stupidly) putting those chips in their hardware. It’s China MITMing the supply chain as it exists today.

deogeo 7y ago

Good job framing opposition to government-corporate censorship as a symptom of US self-importance!

eirini1 7y ago
but this kind of censorship has occured forever. It was just for the sake of the US, instead of China. To those outside of the US, not much has changed.

maxerickson 7y ago

Corporations are actually pretty fucking new in the scheme of things. We don't have to treat them as a force of nature.

jotm 7y ago
They should be better regulated, but companies have been big for centuries, few come close to the power held by companies in various colonies.
- maxerickson 7y ago
  Yes, I am not grievously historically illiterate.
- wavefunction 7y ago
  >few come close to the power held by companies in various colonies any petty despot enjoys the same level of power
  - yourbandsucks 7y ago
    Not really. Despots usually have politics to deal with. Not everything is possible. The companies in question had a massive technological and force advantage over the local populace with free reign when it came to managing dissent with force. Their only political concerns were back in Europe.
- Retric 7y ago
  Companies have not been big for very long. Stock only dates back 400 years, but try and find 10 giant companies with 100,000 employees from 300 years ago. It’s really better transportation and communication that’s allowed modern giants to be created. With the railroad and telegraph kicking things into high gear.
  - dleslie 7y ago
    Would even HBC and the various East India companies reach that size, at that time?

riffraff 7y ago

but at this point in time, companies are bending over to satisfy regulators of a part of the market affecting all the rest. In the past, you would get parts of a movie, titles, jokes or whatever censored in some part of the world, and not elsewhere. Now to avoid upsetting the CCP companies decide to not use potentially offensive content all over the world. It's terrifying.