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The true counter for a gun enthusiast is the knife enthusiast; he'll quickly devolve a defense for firearms into arguments over the 21-foot rule and the short-t

The true counter for a gun enthusiast is the knife enthusiast; he'll quickly devolve a defense for firearms into arguments over the 21-foot rule and the short-term effect of adrenaline/meth vs small-caliber bullets. I mean I know that does nothing for saying everyone should or shouldn't be armed with a form of weaponry in the first place but it's still entertaining

throw0101a 7y ago
> ... into arguments over the 21-foot rule ... If anyone is wondering about this: > Sergeant Dennis Tueller of the Salt Lake City Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife, or other melee weapon, could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. [...] > A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being accused of murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat.[3] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill Mythbusters did an segment on this (s10e11): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU * https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2162496/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2162496/ One critique: Adam had to cock the gun to put a bullet in the chamber, while most people who carry a firearm probably do so fully loaded.
- shijie 7y ago
  Almost everyone within the firearm and concealed carry community consider carrying a gun with a round in the chamber as absolutely asinine and foolhardy. No instructor or enthusiast I know does that. It’s incredibly dangerous for several reasons. Most people practice a “safety off, load chamber” movement so they can do it quickly.
  - papermachete 7y ago
    Almost all modern firearms cannot accidentally discharge. There are varying safety mechanisms, one being a block of metal in front of the firing pin. You can grab a S&W and smack the hammer if you want, you won't detonate the primer.
  - LyndsySimon 7y ago
    This is absolutely untrue. If you’d like, I can link threads in guns or us to illustrate this, but I assure you that so-called “Israeli carry” is roundly ridiculed.
  - throw0101a 7y ago
    > No instructor or enthusiast I know does that. You may wish to expand your circle of acquaintances: "How To Israeli Carry If You Absolutely Have To...Which You Shouldn't" * https://gunbelts.com/blog/how-to-israeli-carry/ https://gunbelts.com/blog/how-to-israeli-carry/ "Israeli Carry Is Obsolete; Keep One In The Chamber" * https://www.usacarry.com/israeli-carry/ https://www.usacarry.com/israeli-carry/

throw0101a 7y ago

> ... into arguments over the 21-foot rule ... If anyone is wondering about this: > Sergeant Dennis Tueller of the Salt Lake City Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife, or other melee weapon, could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. [...] > A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being accused of murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat.[3] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill Mythbusters did an segment on this (s10e11): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU * https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2162496/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2162496/ One critique: Adam had to cock the gun to put a bullet in the chamber, while most people who carry a firearm probably do so fully loaded.

shijie 7y ago
Almost everyone within the firearm and concealed carry community consider carrying a gun with a round in the chamber as absolutely asinine and foolhardy. No instructor or enthusiast I know does that. It’s incredibly dangerous for several reasons. Most people practice a “safety off, load chamber” movement so they can do it quickly.
- papermachete 7y ago
  Almost all modern firearms cannot accidentally discharge. There are varying safety mechanisms, one being a block of metal in front of the firing pin. You can grab a S&W and smack the hammer if you want, you won't detonate the primer.
- LyndsySimon 7y ago
  This is absolutely untrue. If you’d like, I can link threads in guns or us to illustrate this, but I assure you that so-called “Israeli carry” is roundly ridiculed.
- throw0101a 7y ago
  > No instructor or enthusiast I know does that. You may wish to expand your circle of acquaintances: "How To Israeli Carry If You Absolutely Have To...Which You Shouldn't" * https://gunbelts.com/blog/how-to-israeli-carry/ https://gunbelts.com/blog/how-to-israeli-carry/ "Israeli Carry Is Obsolete; Keep One In The Chamber" * https://www.usacarry.com/israeli-carry/ https://www.usacarry.com/israeli-carry/