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If you think China doesn't have full access to Apple's users/customers data, then I have a bridge for sale.

robin_reala 7y ago
I’m sure they have access to the data that Apple’s devices store for users in the Chinese region. Beyond that I’d be extremely surprised.
- mcny 7y ago
  My understanding is if you created your Apple ID in mainland China, this ID is forever associated with servers within China PR's authority regardless of where you go.
  - jrockway 7y ago
    Is this a big problem? You managed to escape a repressive regime; creating a new email address and clicking a few buttons on Apple's website seems well within your capabilities at that point.
    - paulryanrogers 7y ago
      It's a knowledge problem. Most people don't know.
  - throwaway58764 7y ago
    Does this mean these accounts would be hidden from Five Eyes? I wonder if this also means the CLOUD Act wouldn’t apply to these accounts? Since technically, it’s not Apple hosting iCloud in China but a separate local company.
- jchook 7y ago
  We have no proof of what happens to our data. We can’t audit the source and we can’t see the protocols. China manufactures the physical chips and has a bad reputation for forcing companies to add backdoors.
  - pm90 7y ago
    Nah. At that point probably one of the 3 letter agencies would get involved.
    - ci5er 7y ago
      The 14 eyes (used to be 5 eyes, way back when), and Russia (ex-Soviets) were colluding with even Kerberos back-doors back in the 90s, why do you assume that various nation-states are at odds with helping one-another keep track of the on-line behavior of their respective citizens? The government intelligence apparatus (apparently apparatii is incorrect both in English and in Latin?) have more in common with each other than they do with "us".
systemdtrigger 7y ago
While I understand where you're coming from- I'd look at it slightly differently- Microsoft has a huge cloud business where people access outlook using web. If MS can secure it, apple won't be that far behind. Then again I don't know if apple has ever cared for user security much... Anyway, I didn't downvote...

I’m sure they have access to the data that Apple’s devices store for users in the Chinese region. Beyond that I’d be extremely surprised.

mcny 7y ago
My understanding is if you created your Apple ID in mainland China, this ID is forever associated with servers within China PR's authority regardless of where you go.
- jrockway 7y ago
  Is this a big problem? You managed to escape a repressive regime; creating a new email address and clicking a few buttons on Apple's website seems well within your capabilities at that point.
  - paulryanrogers 7y ago
    It's a knowledge problem. Most people don't know.
- throwaway58764 7y ago
  Does this mean these accounts would be hidden from Five Eyes? I wonder if this also means the CLOUD Act wouldn’t apply to these accounts? Since technically, it’s not Apple hosting iCloud in China but a separate local company.
jchook 7y ago
We have no proof of what happens to our data. We can’t audit the source and we can’t see the protocols. China manufactures the physical chips and has a bad reputation for forcing companies to add backdoors.
- pm90 7y ago
  Nah. At that point probably one of the 3 letter agencies would get involved.
  - ci5er 7y ago
    The 14 eyes (used to be 5 eyes, way back when), and Russia (ex-Soviets) were colluding with even Kerberos back-doors back in the 90s, why do you assume that various nation-states are at odds with helping one-another keep track of the on-line behavior of their respective citizens? The government intelligence apparatus (apparently apparatii is incorrect both in English and in Latin?) have more in common with each other than they do with "us".

systemdtrigger 7y ago

While I understand where you're coming from- I'd look at it slightly differently- Microsoft has a huge cloud business where people access outlook using web. If MS can secure it, apple won't be that far behind. Then again I don't know if apple has ever cared for user security much... Anyway, I didn't downvote...