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I was thinking the same thing. Being obsessively interested sounds neat when you watch others spend their entire lives, eg. collecting stamps and coins. Accordi

by loopz 7y ago

I was thinking the same thing. Being obsessively interested sounds neat when you watch others spend their entire lives, eg. collecting stamps and coins. According to this wisdom, when they find the rare gem that makes them a fortune they're geniuses. However, who can will themselves into becoming obsessive with something. Wouldn't it be kind of self-defeating if it is to take something out of it (ie. opposite of karma-yoga)? What you can do: - stop drinking, using drugs and passively consuming shit - swim/exercise the body - study what you're passionate about - cultivate interest further, by iterating on building stuff, meeting peers who share similar interests, followup on your ideas and dreams - long walks in nature to think about it deeper, periods where you remove yourself away from people - balance your interests with sustainable living, because you're not doing it just to score big! Not so sure people can will themselves to change that much. You can enjoy life, cultivate what works and hedge your bets, in that order. By following your core life-theme and ideas, you should become more of what you already are.

westoncb 7y ago
I agree with this. One thing I’d add from personal observation: things get more interesting the more time you spend with them. I’ve done ‘total immersion’ kinds of things with both math and the boardgame Go, with pretty good results in both cases. I pretty much just kept the topic around all the time for a sustained period. Sometimes that meant reading about history or philosophy of the subject, consuming related media, etc. Didn’t take long before I could look at a Go board and get sucked in, or at least have a fairly profound aesthetic experience if it was a nice configuration. Took a lot longer with math, and there what I get is generally like reading about a nice idea from a sci-for short story. I don’t think this would work without some genuine interest/curiosity in the subject to begin with though. And there were times with both where I was intimidated or there were tasks I needed to do in order to improve that I didn’t want to do, which seems fine as long as there’s a larger portion of gratifying experience.
- loopz 7y ago
  Indeed. There are studies about grit and determination over time being strong indicators for possible later success. In any endeavour having some unknown value, overlooked by others, there will be periods where you feel all alone, experience some disinterest or need to grit through some necessary activities/work in order to push forward. There will not always be happy feelings about what you do or even why you do it, though such feelings will be more on the level of superficial aversion and procrastination. In activities and studies with heavy competition, that competition will be extremely hard to beat. Both may be overcome by grit and determination, while those with natural abilities or superior training, often give up earlier due to various unrelated reasons.
1996 7y ago
uh, most of your list is about what is popular now and wouldn't have been popular in say the 70s or 80s Only 2 points seem timeless: - study what you're passionate about - cultivate interest further, by iterating on building stuff, meeting peers who share similar interests, followup on your ideas and dreams
wehrkeoruw 7y ago
Or in other words, stop having fun? There is value in relaxing, there is value in letting go of control and following your impulses. Trying to drive out all fun may lead to a more productive life, but at the cost of a pleasurable life.

by loopz 7y ago

westoncb 7y ago

I agree with this. One thing I’d add from personal observation: things get more interesting the more time you spend with them. I’ve done ‘total immersion’ kinds of things with both math and the boardgame Go, with pretty good results in both cases. I pretty much just kept the topic around all the time for a sustained period. Sometimes that meant reading about history or philosophy of the subject, consuming related media, etc. Didn’t take long before I could look at a Go board and get sucked in, or at least have a fairly profound aesthetic experience if it was a nice configuration. Took a lot longer with math, and there what I get is generally like reading about a nice idea from a sci-for short story. I don’t think this would work without some genuine interest/curiosity in the subject to begin with though. And there were times with both where I was intimidated or there were tasks I needed to do in order to improve that I didn’t want to do, which seems fine as long as there’s a larger portion of gratifying experience.

loopz 7y ago
Indeed. There are studies about grit and determination over time being strong indicators for possible later success. In any endeavour having some unknown value, overlooked by others, there will be periods where you feel all alone, experience some disinterest or need to grit through some necessary activities/work in order to push forward. There will not always be happy feelings about what you do or even why you do it, though such feelings will be more on the level of superficial aversion and procrastination. In activities and studies with heavy competition, that competition will be extremely hard to beat. Both may be overcome by grit and determination, while those with natural abilities or superior training, often give up earlier due to various unrelated reasons.

1996 7y ago

uh, most of your list is about what is popular now and wouldn't have been popular in say the 70s or 80s Only 2 points seem timeless: - study what you're passionate about - cultivate interest further, by iterating on building stuff, meeting peers who share similar interests, followup on your ideas and dreams

wehrkeoruw 7y ago

Or in other words, stop having fun? There is value in relaxing, there is value in letting go of control and following your impulses. Trying to drive out all fun may lead to a more productive life, but at the cost of a pleasurable life.