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Owning a car creates its own demand that otherwise wouldn’t exist. e.g. choosing suburbs to simplify car ownership, and then relying on the car every day.

Cougher 7y ago
"choosing suburbs to simplify car ownership" Explain how a car owns ME, not a straw man.
- philshem 7y ago
  How about “choosing a lifestyle that expects car ownership is a given”?
  - Cougher 7y ago
    How about "supporting your assertion rather than offering lightweight vagueties"?
falcolas 7y ago
Choosing not to own a car creates its own demands (on your time, your comfort, your freedom). Anecdote: my brother-inlaw lives in Chicago (one of the places in the US where not owning a car is quite practical), and purchased a car. Why? Because he attempted to do a home renovation himself over the course of a winter without one. Hauling around tools, materials, and himself on a bike in snow and slush was not something he ever wanted to repeat.
- dangus 7y ago
  Even something simple like grocery shopping is a pain without a car. And delivery services (someone else’s car) or a nearly daily shopping trip are the only alternatives. Plus, Chicago is a place where it’s far easier to be car free if you’re wealthy. The north side is where most of the density is, and the highest real estate prices. I judge Chicago (minus the extensive suburbs) as more of a one car per family situation. Which is better than most of America but not car free. In Tempe Arizona, this will never work.
  - mixmastamyk 7y ago
    Grocery carts are a thing..
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- noobermin 7y ago
  It depends on where you live. I do this a lot but I live near a store.
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  And then reno is over and the payments continue. Truck rentals are a thing.
t34543 7y ago
I lived 10 years without a car and having one now is awesome. I choose to live in suburbia because I want quiet. Having a car is complimentary. I can now purchase heavy groceries and get them home without tipping someone etc. I exercise less but having a backyard with privacy, a car, and peace and quiet is what I want at this stage in my life.
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- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  Grocery carts are a thing.
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refurb 7y ago
You’re ignoring all the benefits. It’s like saying owning a dog is terrible because you have to pick up poop.

Cougher 7y ago

"choosing suburbs to simplify car ownership" Explain how a car owns ME, not a straw man.

philshem 7y ago
How about “choosing a lifestyle that expects car ownership is a given”?
- Cougher 7y ago
  How about "supporting your assertion rather than offering lightweight vagueties"?

falcolas 7y ago

Choosing not to own a car creates its own demands (on your time, your comfort, your freedom). Anecdote: my brother-inlaw lives in Chicago (one of the places in the US where not owning a car is quite practical), and purchased a car. Why? Because he attempted to do a home renovation himself over the course of a winter without one. Hauling around tools, materials, and himself on a bike in snow and slush was not something he ever wanted to repeat.

dangus 7y ago
Even something simple like grocery shopping is a pain without a car. And delivery services (someone else’s car) or a nearly daily shopping trip are the only alternatives. Plus, Chicago is a place where it’s far easier to be car free if you’re wealthy. The north side is where most of the density is, and the highest real estate prices. I judge Chicago (minus the extensive suburbs) as more of a one car per family situation. Which is better than most of America but not car free. In Tempe Arizona, this will never work.
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  Grocery carts are a thing..
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noobermin 7y ago
It depends on where you live. I do this a lot but I live near a store.
mixmastamyk 7y ago
And then reno is over and the payments continue. Truck rentals are a thing.

t34543 7y ago

I lived 10 years without a car and having one now is awesome. I choose to live in suburbia because I want quiet. Having a car is complimentary. I can now purchase heavy groceries and get them home without tipping someone etc. I exercise less but having a backyard with privacy, a car, and peace and quiet is what I want at this stage in my life.

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mixmastamyk 7y ago
Grocery carts are a thing.

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refurb 7y ago

You’re ignoring all the benefits. It’s like saying owning a dog is terrible because you have to pick up poop.