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In Serbia, School Shooter with AK47 Got Beaten Up by PE Teacher

74 points by Lagogarda 7y ago

goldenkey 7y ago
This man shed his attachment to his body way before old age. He saw the event basis that QM tells us is reality, for what it was worth. Absolute unit.
- a3n 7y ago
  Or, he just went full on gym teacher and decided there'll be no more of this shit.
  - VistaBrokeMyPC 7y ago
    I hope after he beat him up, he made the shooter do push-ups until the police arrived.
    - swader999 7y ago
      With perfect form.
      - red2awn 7y ago
        For reps.
squarefoot 7y ago
"Giving firearms to everyone is necessary so that shooters can be stopped, yadda yadda yadda..."
- DennisP 7y ago
  In fairness, if I were in that position I'd much rather have a gun than not.
  - krapp 7y ago
    In fairness, you would likely be more of a danger to yourself and other innocent bystanders than the shooter if you had a gun in that position than not. edit: to clarify - most people in that situation would likely be more of a danger than a benefit. Carrying around a loaded gun on you at all times doesn't mean you're mentally prepared or well trained enough to be able to effectively engage in urban combat at a moment's notice.
  - milankragujevic 7y ago
    Well, in Serbia, by law it is regulated that every school must have a police officer [with a gun+tazer+spray deterrent] at the location at ALL times, and there are random inspections that may actually fine the cop and the school principal if anything wasn't done according to the regulation. So, there's no need for students and teachers to carry guns, because there is an actual cop there. In this case it's not specified where was the police officer and why didn't they intervene. I checked on Serbian news sites, there is no info. However, carrying guns is technically legal as long as you pass a psychological, psychiatrial and practical exams, and pay for the license which renews periodically, as well as buying the gun from a legitimate source and registering it's make, model, and other details in the national database. Though, we do have 4K facial recognition cameras that send data to China (partnership between Ministry of Interior, Telecom Serbia and Huawei) on every 2nd utility pole throughout the capital. And they actually send you tickets for not wearing a seat belt or jaywalking if a camera records you and recognizes you. All adult citizens have their fingerprints recorded as well as a face model for automatic identification and profiling by the government of China which then shares that info with our police. And the cameras are all equipped with 4G modems and batteries so you can be sure they will transmit the data no matter what. Yet crime still happens, because, the cameras will maybe prevent not wearing a seat belt or jaywalking, but obviously not someone shooting a bunch of kids. In this case, that PE teacher was worth more than a multi-million euro project with the Chinese telecom giant. edit: If you want to know more about the cameras, here's a handy article in English by CBS News: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-huawei-face-recognition-cameras-serbia-other-countries-questionable-human-rights-2019-10-16/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-huawei-face-recognition-c...
    - 7y ago
- tomatotomato37 7y ago
  The true counter for a gun enthusiast is the knife enthusiast; he'll quickly devolve a defense for firearms into arguments over the 21-foot rule and the short-term effect of adrenaline/meth vs small-caliber bullets. I mean I know that does nothing for saying everyone should or shouldn't be armed with a form of weaponry in the first place but it's still entertaining
  - throw0101a 7y ago
    > ... into arguments over the 21-foot rule ... If anyone is wondering about this: > Sergeant Dennis Tueller of the Salt Lake City Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife, or other melee weapon, could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. [...] > A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being accused of murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat.[3] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill Mythbusters did an segment on this (s10e11): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU * https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2162496/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2162496/ One critique: Adam had to cock the gun to put a bullet in the chamber, while most people who carry a firearm probably do so fully loaded.
    - shijie 7y ago
      Almost everyone within the firearm and concealed carry community consider carrying a gun with a round in the chamber as absolutely asinine and foolhardy. No instructor or enthusiast I know does that. It’s incredibly dangerous for several reasons. Most people practice a “safety off, load chamber” movement so they can do it quickly.
      - papermachete 7y ago
        Almost all modern firearms cannot accidentally discharge. There are varying safety mechanisms, one being a block of metal in front of the firing pin. You can grab a S&W and smack the hammer if you want, you won't detonate the primer.
- throw0101a 7y ago
  The FBI did a survey of the 160 'active shooter' incidents between 2000-2013 (PDF download warning): * https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-200... * https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/U-_ActiveShooter13B_FBI.pdf https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/U-_Acti... In 5 cases (3.1%) armed civilians stopped the shooter, and in 2 (1.3%) there were off-duty police. Most shootings (90; 56%) ended because the shooter themselves stopped on their own. While having a firearm may be handy, in the majority of cases it was not used, and probably not even "needed". Further, if there is an active shooter, and there is probably some level of chaos going on: how does a 'good guy with a good' (GGWG) distinguish between the attacker and another GGWG? When the police arrive, how do they make the distinction? In the UK 7/7 attacks, an unarmed civilian was killed because the police thought he was one of the attackers: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menez...
  - true_religion 7y ago
    The study is of all active shootings, not just active shootings where potential victims have arms. You can't really conclude that arms wouldn't be more useful in stopping active shooters.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    While de Menezes was a tragic unnecessary police shooting, it wasn't any kind of "live" situation; it was the 22nd July and there had been bombings the day before, and he was incorrectly believed to be wearing a suicide vest (in reality, a bulky jacket). As you say, when the US police arrive at an active shooter situation a "GGWG" is very likely going to get killed if their gun is still visible.
  - squarefoot 7y ago
    "While having a firearm may be handy, in the majority of cases it was not used, and probably not even "needed"." That was my point, I was being ironic.
  - papermachete 7y ago
- cjblomqvist 7y ago
  Sorry for no reference, but I remember reading about attacks in US homes, and it was more common to be shot by the gun you had at home (if you had any) than being shot by other weapon by a large margin. The most common case was shooting yourself by mistake...
  - masonic 7y ago
    You have no reference because that statement is false. It's perhaps a bad misinterpretation of Kellerman.
spodek 7y ago
> Besides the teacher (minor fist injuries) and the shooter nobody else was injured and the shooter was arrested. Is there a term for the opposite of damning with faint praise? Because "minor fist injuries" reads like massive praise and respect, subtly stated.
pjc50 7y ago
Worth noting that this appears to have been intended as a hostage taking, rather than the mass murder-suicide that most American school shootings are. (I'm also wondering if this was somehow related to the politics of the Balkans that produced so many mass murders 20+ years ago)
- Mar_1 7y ago
  Local news have reported the perpetrator is a mentally ill person who feared for the safety of his family and intended to use the hostage-taking situation to establish contact with the government and voice his paranoid concerns.

74 points by Lagogarda 7y ago

This man shed his attachment to his body way before old age. He saw the event basis that QM tells us is reality, for what it was worth. Absolute unit.

a3n 7y ago
Or, he just went full on gym teacher and decided there'll be no more of this shit.
- VistaBrokeMyPC 7y ago
  I hope after he beat him up, he made the shooter do push-ups until the police arrived.
  - swader999 7y ago
    With perfect form.
    - red2awn 7y ago
      For reps.

squarefoot 7y ago

"Giving firearms to everyone is necessary so that shooters can be stopped, yadda yadda yadda..."

DennisP 7y ago
In fairness, if I were in that position I'd much rather have a gun than not.
- krapp 7y ago
  In fairness, you would likely be more of a danger to yourself and other innocent bystanders than the shooter if you had a gun in that position than not. edit: to clarify - most people in that situation would likely be more of a danger than a benefit. Carrying around a loaded gun on you at all times doesn't mean you're mentally prepared or well trained enough to be able to effectively engage in urban combat at a moment's notice.
- milankragujevic 7y ago
  Well, in Serbia, by law it is regulated that every school must have a police officer [with a gun+tazer+spray deterrent] at the location at ALL times, and there are random inspections that may actually fine the cop and the school principal if anything wasn't done according to the regulation. So, there's no need for students and teachers to carry guns, because there is an actual cop there. In this case it's not specified where was the police officer and why didn't they intervene. I checked on Serbian news sites, there is no info. However, carrying guns is technically legal as long as you pass a psychological, psychiatrial and practical exams, and pay for the license which renews periodically, as well as buying the gun from a legitimate source and registering it's make, model, and other details in the national database. Though, we do have 4K facial recognition cameras that send data to China (partnership between Ministry of Interior, Telecom Serbia and Huawei) on every 2nd utility pole throughout the capital. And they actually send you tickets for not wearing a seat belt or jaywalking if a camera records you and recognizes you. All adult citizens have their fingerprints recorded as well as a face model for automatic identification and profiling by the government of China which then shares that info with our police. And the cameras are all equipped with 4G modems and batteries so you can be sure they will transmit the data no matter what. Yet crime still happens, because, the cameras will maybe prevent not wearing a seat belt or jaywalking, but obviously not someone shooting a bunch of kids. In this case, that PE teacher was worth more than a multi-million euro project with the Chinese telecom giant. edit: If you want to know more about the cameras, here's a handy article in English by CBS News: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-huawei-face-recognition-cameras-serbia-other-countries-questionable-human-rights-2019-10-16/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-huawei-face-recognition-c...
  - 7y ago
tomatotomato37 7y ago
The true counter for a gun enthusiast is the knife enthusiast; he'll quickly devolve a defense for firearms into arguments over the 21-foot rule and the short-term effect of adrenaline/meth vs small-caliber bullets. I mean I know that does nothing for saying everyone should or shouldn't be armed with a form of weaponry in the first place but it's still entertaining
- throw0101a 7y ago
  > ... into arguments over the 21-foot rule ... If anyone is wondering about this: > Sergeant Dennis Tueller of the Salt Lake City Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife, or other melee weapon, could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. [...] > A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being accused of murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat.[3] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill Mythbusters did an segment on this (s10e11): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU * https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2162496/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2162496/ One critique: Adam had to cock the gun to put a bullet in the chamber, while most people who carry a firearm probably do so fully loaded.
  - shijie 7y ago
    Almost everyone within the firearm and concealed carry community consider carrying a gun with a round in the chamber as absolutely asinine and foolhardy. No instructor or enthusiast I know does that. It’s incredibly dangerous for several reasons. Most people practice a “safety off, load chamber” movement so they can do it quickly.
    - papermachete 7y ago
      Almost all modern firearms cannot accidentally discharge. There are varying safety mechanisms, one being a block of metal in front of the firing pin. You can grab a S&W and smack the hammer if you want, you won't detonate the primer.
throw0101a 7y ago
The FBI did a survey of the 160 'active shooter' incidents between 2000-2013 (PDF download warning): * https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-200... * https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/U-_ActiveShooter13B_FBI.pdf https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/U-_Acti... In 5 cases (3.1%) armed civilians stopped the shooter, and in 2 (1.3%) there were off-duty police. Most shootings (90; 56%) ended because the shooter themselves stopped on their own. While having a firearm may be handy, in the majority of cases it was not used, and probably not even "needed". Further, if there is an active shooter, and there is probably some level of chaos going on: how does a 'good guy with a good' (GGWG) distinguish between the attacker and another GGWG? When the police arrive, how do they make the distinction? In the UK 7/7 attacks, an unarmed civilian was killed because the police thought he was one of the attackers: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menez...
- true_religion 7y ago
  The study is of all active shootings, not just active shootings where potential victims have arms. You can't really conclude that arms wouldn't be more useful in stopping active shooters.
- pjc50 7y ago
  While de Menezes was a tragic unnecessary police shooting, it wasn't any kind of "live" situation; it was the 22nd July and there had been bombings the day before, and he was incorrectly believed to be wearing a suicide vest (in reality, a bulky jacket). As you say, when the US police arrive at an active shooter situation a "GGWG" is very likely going to get killed if their gun is still visible.
- squarefoot 7y ago
  "While having a firearm may be handy, in the majority of cases it was not used, and probably not even "needed"." That was my point, I was being ironic.
- papermachete 7y ago
cjblomqvist 7y ago
Sorry for no reference, but I remember reading about attacks in US homes, and it was more common to be shot by the gun you had at home (if you had any) than being shot by other weapon by a large margin. The most common case was shooting yourself by mistake...
- masonic 7y ago
  You have no reference because that statement is false. It's perhaps a bad misinterpretation of Kellerman.

spodek 7y ago

> Besides the teacher (minor fist injuries) and the shooter nobody else was injured and the shooter was arrested. Is there a term for the opposite of damning with faint praise? Because "minor fist injuries" reads like massive praise and respect, subtly stated.

pjc50 7y ago

Worth noting that this appears to have been intended as a hostage taking, rather than the mass murder-suicide that most American school shootings are. (I'm also wondering if this was somehow related to the politics of the Balkans that produced so many mass murders 20+ years ago)

Mar_1 7y ago
Local news have reported the perpetrator is a mentally ill person who feared for the safety of his family and intended to use the hostage-taking situation to establish contact with the government and voice his paranoid concerns.