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A question to those who downvoted this comment: why? I'm genuinely curious. It was not nasty in any way, it was readable and presented a good argument. That yo

A question to those who downvoted this comment: why? I'm genuinely curious. It was not nasty in any way, it was readable and presented a good argument. That you disagree should not be a reason to downvote. I don't think 2000 mile range would be that important, but >1000 km would be useful (I have a diesel car that can do this).

_ph_ 7y ago
The comment is civil, but I would also think full of bad reasonings. First of all, you don't need to refuel an electric car like a gasoline one. A large part of the cars can be charged at home over night. Alternatively, at work during work day. A car spends most of its time parking somewhere. After all, you are driving it, to be somewhere. Work, mall, etc. A lot of these places could offer low-power outlets for slow charging. Gasoline cars used to offer ranges not so much more than 400 kilometers, only very modern and Diesel cars increased that number significantly. Elektric cars have reached (and in Tesla quite exceeded) that range. More improvements will happen too. But a > 1000 km range isn't what is holding electric cars back. I actually think, few electric cars will ever reach that range, unless there is some crazy breakthrough with batteries, as it makes more sense to have smaller and cheaper batteries than optimizing for an use case which doesn't matter much.
- babuskov 7y ago
  > A large part of the cars can be charged at home over night. Alternatively, at work during work day. Most people live in buildings, not houses. Same applies for work. You don't get to charge there. A dedicated charging station that replaces gas stations is needed. > A lot of these places could offer low-power outlets for slow charging. I have no experience with US, but in many major cities in Europe, it's hard to find any parking space, let alone the one with a charging outlet. It's a problem that would require a lot of infrastructure. Anyway, those are all valid discussion points. No reason to downvote. People on HN want electric to succeed and that's fine. But downvoting anyone who points at problems... are we on Reddit now?
  - jacobr 7y ago
    Adding power outlets to public parking spaces does not require breakthroughs or innovation. 25% of all lots in the parking garage built several years ago next to my previous work were prepared for or had charging sockets. Like with the majority of parking in Sweden you pay with an app or sms, and the hourly rate is higher if you charge.
    - ptaipale 7y ago
      It does not require much technical innovation, but it does require quite a lot of investment, and also some administrational red tape must be handled (how to allow and how to encourage it in terms of certifications, construction permits etc).
- Haga 7y ago
  You need to because of free market.

_ph_ 7y ago

The comment is civil, but I would also think full of bad reasonings. First of all, you don't need to refuel an electric car like a gasoline one. A large part of the cars can be charged at home over night. Alternatively, at work during work day. A car spends most of its time parking somewhere. After all, you are driving it, to be somewhere. Work, mall, etc. A lot of these places could offer low-power outlets for slow charging. Gasoline cars used to offer ranges not so much more than 400 kilometers, only very modern and Diesel cars increased that number significantly. Elektric cars have reached (and in Tesla quite exceeded) that range. More improvements will happen too. But a > 1000 km range isn't what is holding electric cars back. I actually think, few electric cars will ever reach that range, unless there is some crazy breakthrough with batteries, as it makes more sense to have smaller and cheaper batteries than optimizing for an use case which doesn't matter much.

babuskov 7y ago
> A large part of the cars can be charged at home over night. Alternatively, at work during work day. Most people live in buildings, not houses. Same applies for work. You don't get to charge there. A dedicated charging station that replaces gas stations is needed. > A lot of these places could offer low-power outlets for slow charging. I have no experience with US, but in many major cities in Europe, it's hard to find any parking space, let alone the one with a charging outlet. It's a problem that would require a lot of infrastructure. Anyway, those are all valid discussion points. No reason to downvote. People on HN want electric to succeed and that's fine. But downvoting anyone who points at problems... are we on Reddit now?
- jacobr 7y ago
  Adding power outlets to public parking spaces does not require breakthroughs or innovation. 25% of all lots in the parking garage built several years ago next to my previous work were prepared for or had charging sockets. Like with the majority of parking in Sweden you pay with an app or sms, and the hourly rate is higher if you charge.
  - ptaipale 7y ago
    It does not require much technical innovation, but it does require quite a lot of investment, and also some administrational red tape must be handled (how to allow and how to encourage it in terms of certifications, construction permits etc).
Haga 7y ago
You need to because of free market.