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>I am making, what I hope you understand, is a good faith critique. "terrible", "junk" and "garbage" is not a good faith critique. > When the critique written
by brazzy 7y ago
>I am making, what I hope you understand, is a good faith critique.
"terrible", "junk" and "garbage" is not a good faith critique.
> When the critique written in 3 minutes has as much technical merit (says you) as the "paper", that is not good.
Except It's not a "paper" either, it's a website, with multiple pages, with your "critique" being equivalent in content to maybe 1.5 of them.
> Your using an example 0.1 + 0.2 != 0.3. This is nothing to do with floating point. This is an issue of choice of fraction base and an issue of precision that could affect any non-analog computation.
I.e. it has everything to do with floating point. And it happens to be an example of exactly the kind of real, concrete problem that real people writing real programs encounter in the real world and then look for help with.
> You understand exactly what I mean. You replaced "Computer Scientist" with "Programmer". Borderline infringement, borderline plagiarism.
I understand that you have no fucking clue what the words "infringement" or "plagiarism" mean. There are now dozens of articles out there using that title format (and I would not be certain Goldberg was the first), just like there were dozens of articles using the "X considered harmful" format, and no sane person (and no lawyer either) would consider any of it "stealing", "infringement" or "plagiarism".
> You summarized a very famous paper and tweaked it's title. You provide no real advise for what to do. You provide no practical examples of real world code for "those programmers" that just want to know what to do.
What the flying FUCK? I very much do all of those things. How about you actually LOOK at the thing you criticize?
> Why is it not good? I like that it puts the simple parts first and the formal math later
It is still very much an academic paper and starts using formal math notation already when introducing floating point formats, and theorems two sections later, about 10% into the paper. The "simple parts" are already way too formal and too general for most of the people who get directed at it, and thus it fails to be helpful for them.
> Yes you did.
No, I did not. That is a lie.
> Let's say I said "Your website is oversimplified and difficult to navigate. It is garbage." Did I deride yours? [yes. yes i did.]
Yes, the word "garbage" is obviously derisive - and I used no such word to describe the paper. Unlike your example, I did not even criticize it explicitly. The worst thing I wrote was that it "didn’t seem to help with your problem" - notice the "seem"?
> I have serious problems comprehending a disorganized web page with a web 1.0 navigation panel instead of a properly formatted paper.
Well, that says more about you than about the website. Multiple other people have praised the website's clean design and usability.
> - Your example is borderline wrong. It's about a different subject.
Nonsense. It's an example of exactly the kind of problem people have and are looking for help with.
> - "Programmers" is not a good title when your audience is "Computer Scientists" and "Software Engineers".
My audience is programmers. People who don't think they're programmers can feel free to ignore it. Or is your problem that it's not ideal for "Computer Scientists" who also consider themselves programmers? So what?
> - You changed the title in the HN post to obfuscate that you ripped off the original title.
What a load of bullshit. The HN post of this comment thread was not made by me. The HN post I made in 2010 did in fact have the title format in question. And the idea that it was "obfuscated" is just plain idiotic any way you look at it.
> There is zero creative, or new information presented.
My main goal was not creativity or new information.
> The most valuable part is the "References" page. In which every single link contains more relevant and accessible information than your "site".
Says you. Pretty much everyone else seems to disagree.
> You aren't even linking to a definitive reference. But instead to an appendix of a user manual Instead of, for example: http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/jean-michel.muller/goldberg.pdf http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/jean-michel.muller/goldberg.pdf
Now you're just making a fool of yourself. It's exactly the same content. Your link is a scanned paper article with bad OCR that happens to lie around on some scientist's (very much web 1.0, I might add) site and might disappear at any time.
> I think it'd be great stuff if: - you wrote a little blog - that introduced the goldberg paper gently - that augmented and highlighted the references. If they are a little complicated, then explain them.
No, that would not be great. That would be an idiotic waste of time. The solution for a reference that is already too long and complex for the target audience's question is not to add more stuff to it! We're not doing literature analysis here!
> Don't imply "too complicated, you should skip".
That is not what I am implying (otherwise why would I list the references at all?). It's "too complicated for you right now, here's the basics, now go back there if you want more details".
> that was able to be printed in a coherent format. Not 8 or 10 different individual web 1.0 frames.
Format is always a matter of taste, but many people seem to like it. And you keep using
> There's a reason academic papers are formatted the way they are.
Yeah, and the biggest reason is that they are designed to be published in printed journals.
> It's actually for precise communication.
If you're seriously claiming that there is a fundamental difference between one long article with separate sections, and a webpage with an navigation index and some separate pages, then I really can't help you (but you need help). And you keep using that expression "web 1.0". It doesn't mean what you think it means. "frames" as well. You might want to inform yourself.
> If you try to "simplify" and make things too much more "accessible" for regular "programmers", you may falsely believe you are helping.
Many, people have in fact stated that my website helped them. So it seems you are provably wrong.
- fargle 7y ago> "terrible", "junk" and "garbage" is not a good faith critique Fair enough. But the you asked why I felt that way, and then I am trying to explain in good faith. There is no need to get cross.
- brazzy 7y agoWe're both doing our share of getting cross at the other's trying to explain something in good faith here...
- fargle 7y agoI'm not cross. I'm disappointed. I naively hoped you'd at least hear some criticism. What I learn is that you imagine that I don't understand (I do), don't know (I do) and it reflects badly for me to criticice. You come across as a narcissist of the first order. Your website provides little value, possibly negative. It is a hard to follow and a dumbed-down version of famous paper. When I point it out you "prove me wrong" and claim I've not made my points.
- brazzy 7y ago> I naively hoped you'd at least hear some criticism. You have still failed to provide any real criticism other than of what version of the Goldberg paper I used. > What I learn is that you imagine that I don't understand (I do), don't know (I do) You have proven pretty conclusively that no, you don't. > You come across as a narcissist of the first order. Because I defend something that I received praise for many times and am proud of against destructive and unreasonable criticism? No, a narcissist is what you are, with your constant, arrogant disparaging of everything that doesn't follow academic ceremony. > Your website provides little value, possibly negative. In your very subjective opinion that disagrees with pretty much everyone else. > It is a hard to follow Almost everyone else who has looked at it has in fact stated that it's very easy to understand. Looks like it's you who has a problem here. > and a dumbed-down version of famous paper. The website is not, nor does it claim to be a "version" of that paper. > When I point it out you "prove me wrong" and claim I've not made my points. Yes, that is what you have indeed consistently failed to do,