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How exactly? This makes no sense to me.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Having a package arrive discretely is arguably safer than the in person interaction with a dealer. Also, you don't get repeat customers if you kill them, so online procured products are usually of a quality high enough you will be a repeat customer (and not die).
- dudus 7y ago
  I think you vastly overestimate the business acumen of drug dealers on the darkweb. You are much more likely to never receive a shipment than to bump into someone worried about repeat customers
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  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/11466413/What-dark-net-drug-buyers-say-about-their-dealers.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/11466413/Wha... (What 'dark net' drug buyers say about their dealers, March 2015) > Third, people who use Silk Road 2.0 are very happy punters. The average score out of 5 left by drug user on the site of was an impressive 4.85. > This is the most important thing of all. Because it offers competition and choice, the power here is in the hands of the buyer rather than the vendor. Drug dealers on these markets are very polite and attentive – desperate for a positive review because anything else would damage business. I emailed a number of vendors during my research and all were extremely helpful. As you can see from this Wordle, ‘great’ ‘fast’ and ‘good’ are the most common words left on the written feedback section. There are a lot of happy users out there. Markets really do work!
  - apte 7y ago
    You clearly have no idea.
  - treve 7y ago
    As someone who's tried this, this is just not how it works. Ratings matter a lot on these sites. It's also very different being able to choose from many vendors and see all the reviews vs. getting the number from one guy and having no reference point at the time of purchase.
  - wolco 7y ago
    You are 100x more likely to get ripped off on the street. Why would a business take took effort to build up a rep and a flow of cash risk it so they could rip off a few get bad reviews and lose it all.
    - buttcoinslol 7y ago
      Why would an irl dealer rip of a potential customer? Do you have any idea how profitable selling weed is? Wholesale->retail is 100% or more markup, and you have virtually no overhead (bags, gas, time). Reliable customers means reliable cash flow.
      - wolco 7y ago
        I do. When you buy on the street that person was barely able to come up with 170/220 for an O. They sell for 10 dollars a gram to reach 280. They lose weight in sticks and water. They need to end up selling you a .7 for them to make 80/100. Some add water / some use really cheap weed. Once you find a dealer who buys 500/1000 dollars worth (to make that 100% markup) they don't stand on a corner because those people get robbed / arrested. But they expect customers to buy larger amounts.
        grawprog 7y ago
        Hmmmm. Street dealers make the most per gram, but do the most hustle and probably make the least overall in terms of profit. The middleman buying and selling between the growers and the dealers makes decent money with little risk, while the growers themselves tend to make the least by weight, but make decent profit. Especially factoring in the expenses of growing and the risks they take. The middlemen, like with most businesses tend to be the biggest winners as far as making money vs getting caught and going to jail goes. They just need to have some starting money and their job ends up being pretty easy as long as they don't get caught. By middlemen I mean the ones buying multiple pounds off growers to sell to street dealers or to have street dealers hustle for them with. Though here at least, with dispenseries and legalization, that's all changed.
- jedberg 7y ago
  > Also, you don't get repeat customers if you kill them, so online procured products are usually of a quality high enough you will be a repeat customer (and not die). It seems like that argument would apply to in person deals too.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Yes, but meeting in person introduces unnecessary risk. People have been shot and killed selling their Xbox online when they meet up [1]. Derisk, derisk, derisk. [1] https://fox6now.com/2019/07/05/police-2-arrested-in-killing-of-indiana-teen-selling-xbox/ https://fox6now.com/2019/07/05/police-2-arrested-in-killing-...
    - jedberg 7y ago
      Oh of course, I'm just saying that particular argument of quality doesn't seem unique to online sales.
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    - Spooky23 7y ago
      Buying drugs over the internet and having them mailed to your house puts you at risk of federal felony charges. Lower one risk, increase another.
      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        Unlikely. The package will be confiscated if found at a border crossing or in transit, but it doesn't appear charges are brought against the recipient (the sender might be pursued though if within the jurisdiction; this is why I assume many of these types of shipments originate outside of the US). Not that I recommend doing so, especially with anything considered a controlled substance or on a federal schedule.
JChase2 7y ago
There's reviews, seller ratings, and often test results from some EU lab or via store bought tests. It's kinda like amazon and could probably be gamed but it's probably less likely whatever you're buying will be deadly.
- x220 7y ago
  The websites are set up so that you would not make a profit if you tried to game the system.
tempsy 7y ago
There are reviews, you can see seller history, you don’t have to interact with someone in a dark alley and bring wads of cash with you, the package arrives discreetly, etc.
- xj9 7y ago
  nobody buys drugs in a dark alley. people buy drugs in parked cars or living rooms.
  - tempsy 7y ago
    Ok? Drugs are bought everywhere.
    - xj9 7y ago
      that's true, but the way you paint it sounds like there is no web of trust or reputation IRL and that its all shady ad-hoc meetings. buying smack off of a random stranger is junkie behavior. considering the estimated size of the black drug market, there is no way most drug users fit into this category. most drug users must be functional for the market to be that big. ergo the most likely scenario does not take place in a dark alley among strangers.
throwaway07Ju19 7y ago
At the very least, buying drugs in person comes with the risk of getting punched in the face in exchange for your money. In all honesty, when I was young buying street drugs was appealing for the hustle, risk, excitement, and mischief. Often I'd simply resell it for double the thrill. Perhaps with that element gone it might actually be less appealing for some.
- bobobob420 7y ago
  No drug dealer punches you in the face for money... drug dealers make money by you coming back for more. Only a crackhead would punch you for money
  - rainonmoon 7y ago
    There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about drug buying in this thread in general. You're right, and I'll add that they also make money by word of mouth -- not just you coming back, but bringing a friend, extending a network of trust, etc. Punching someone in the face doesn't exactly engender that kind of thing for one's business.
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- strken 7y ago
  The only people I know who buy drugs from comparative strangers do so almost exclusively in the food courts of shopping malls, for some reason. Presumably it makes it a little harder to get mugged.

Having a package arrive discretely is arguably safer than the in person interaction with a dealer. Also, you don't get repeat customers if you kill them, so online procured products are usually of a quality high enough you will be a repeat customer (and not die).

dudus 7y ago
I think you vastly overestimate the business acumen of drug dealers on the darkweb. You are much more likely to never receive a shipment than to bump into someone worried about repeat customers
- deleted 7y ago
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- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/11466413/What-dark-net-drug-buyers-say-about-their-dealers.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/11466413/Wha... (What 'dark net' drug buyers say about their dealers, March 2015) > Third, people who use Silk Road 2.0 are very happy punters. The average score out of 5 left by drug user on the site of was an impressive 4.85. > This is the most important thing of all. Because it offers competition and choice, the power here is in the hands of the buyer rather than the vendor. Drug dealers on these markets are very polite and attentive – desperate for a positive review because anything else would damage business. I emailed a number of vendors during my research and all were extremely helpful. As you can see from this Wordle, ‘great’ ‘fast’ and ‘good’ are the most common words left on the written feedback section. There are a lot of happy users out there. Markets really do work!
- apte 7y ago
  You clearly have no idea.
- treve 7y ago
  As someone who's tried this, this is just not how it works. Ratings matter a lot on these sites. It's also very different being able to choose from many vendors and see all the reviews vs. getting the number from one guy and having no reference point at the time of purchase.
- wolco 7y ago
  You are 100x more likely to get ripped off on the street. Why would a business take took effort to build up a rep and a flow of cash risk it so they could rip off a few get bad reviews and lose it all.
  - buttcoinslol 7y ago
    Why would an irl dealer rip of a potential customer? Do you have any idea how profitable selling weed is? Wholesale->retail is 100% or more markup, and you have virtually no overhead (bags, gas, time). Reliable customers means reliable cash flow.
    - wolco 7y ago
      I do. When you buy on the street that person was barely able to come up with 170/220 for an O. They sell for 10 dollars a gram to reach 280. They lose weight in sticks and water. They need to end up selling you a .7 for them to make 80/100. Some add water / some use really cheap weed. Once you find a dealer who buys 500/1000 dollars worth (to make that 100% markup) they don't stand on a corner because those people get robbed / arrested. But they expect customers to buy larger amounts.
      - grawprog 7y ago
        Hmmmm. Street dealers make the most per gram, but do the most hustle and probably make the least overall in terms of profit. The middleman buying and selling between the growers and the dealers makes decent money with little risk, while the growers themselves tend to make the least by weight, but make decent profit. Especially factoring in the expenses of growing and the risks they take. The middlemen, like with most businesses tend to be the biggest winners as far as making money vs getting caught and going to jail goes. They just need to have some starting money and their job ends up being pretty easy as long as they don't get caught. By middlemen I mean the ones buying multiple pounds off growers to sell to street dealers or to have street dealers hustle for them with. Though here at least, with dispenseries and legalization, that's all changed.
jedberg 7y ago
> Also, you don't get repeat customers if you kill them, so online procured products are usually of a quality high enough you will be a repeat customer (and not die). It seems like that argument would apply to in person deals too.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Yes, but meeting in person introduces unnecessary risk. People have been shot and killed selling their Xbox online when they meet up [1]. Derisk, derisk, derisk. [1] https://fox6now.com/2019/07/05/police-2-arrested-in-killing-of-indiana-teen-selling-xbox/ https://fox6now.com/2019/07/05/police-2-arrested-in-killing-...
  - jedberg 7y ago
    Oh of course, I'm just saying that particular argument of quality doesn't seem unique to online sales.
    - deleted 7y ago
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  - Spooky23 7y ago
    Buying drugs over the internet and having them mailed to your house puts you at risk of federal felony charges. Lower one risk, increase another.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      Unlikely. The package will be confiscated if found at a border crossing or in transit, but it doesn't appear charges are brought against the recipient (the sender might be pursued though if within the jurisdiction; this is why I assume many of these types of shipments originate outside of the US). Not that I recommend doing so, especially with anything considered a controlled substance or on a federal schedule.

JChase2 7y ago

There's reviews, seller ratings, and often test results from some EU lab or via store bought tests. It's kinda like amazon and could probably be gamed but it's probably less likely whatever you're buying will be deadly.

x220 7y ago
The websites are set up so that you would not make a profit if you tried to game the system.

tempsy 7y ago

There are reviews, you can see seller history, you don’t have to interact with someone in a dark alley and bring wads of cash with you, the package arrives discreetly, etc.

xj9 7y ago
nobody buys drugs in a dark alley. people buy drugs in parked cars or living rooms.
- tempsy 7y ago
  Ok? Drugs are bought everywhere.
  - xj9 7y ago
    that's true, but the way you paint it sounds like there is no web of trust or reputation IRL and that its all shady ad-hoc meetings. buying smack off of a random stranger is junkie behavior. considering the estimated size of the black drug market, there is no way most drug users fit into this category. most drug users must be functional for the market to be that big. ergo the most likely scenario does not take place in a dark alley among strangers.

throwaway07Ju19 7y ago

At the very least, buying drugs in person comes with the risk of getting punched in the face in exchange for your money. In all honesty, when I was young buying street drugs was appealing for the hustle, risk, excitement, and mischief. Often I'd simply resell it for double the thrill. Perhaps with that element gone it might actually be less appealing for some.

bobobob420 7y ago
No drug dealer punches you in the face for money... drug dealers make money by you coming back for more. Only a crackhead would punch you for money
- rainonmoon 7y ago
  There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about drug buying in this thread in general. You're right, and I'll add that they also make money by word of mouth -- not just you coming back, but bringing a friend, extending a network of trust, etc. Punching someone in the face doesn't exactly engender that kind of thing for one's business.
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strken 7y ago
The only people I know who buy drugs from comparative strangers do so almost exclusively in the food courts of shopping malls, for some reason. Presumably it makes it a little harder to get mugged.