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>Too bad he is making these comments at the ADL Why is that bad?

shiado 7y ago
The ADL is a Zionist organization. It's hard to take their opinions on ethnonationalism seriously at all when you consider their goals for Israel.
- scarmig 7y ago
  Their goal for Israel: a democratic, two-state solution that provides for the security of everyone living in Israel and Palestine. https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/dont-destroy-the-two-state-solution https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/dont-destroy-the-two-state-so... Sure, they might have a bit of a blind spot that makes them overly favorable toward Israel, but in a sea of bad actors, they're one of the few groups acting in good faith.
  - alfromspace 7y ago
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-04-13-mn-22383-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-04-13-mn-22383-... https://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228 https://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228 The ADL spied extensively on not only pro-Palestinian activists, but also on anti-South African apartheid activists, presumably because they didn't want their critiques being used on Israel.
    - scarmig 7y ago
      I was curious, so I read the articles. For something intended to critique the ADL, they spend a lot of time listing malign actions of the government of Israel. Which is annoying, because... I don't care. I oppose Israel having cooperated with South Africa in the 60s and 70s, but that has pretty much nothing to do with the ADL in 2019. The spying seems like a more damning charge. But the word is doing a lot of work: most prominent political organizations maintain rolodexes of reporters and activists, along with their stances and perspectives. It's part of what makes them effective--you can rest assured that e.g. CAIR does the same. Characterizing it as spying is a bit overwrought.
      - alfromspace 7y ago
        We're talking about the ADL being a Zionist organization, and the viewpoints that caused individuals to be the subjects of spying (or whatever you want to call it) clearly indicates a pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian bias. I don't think anyone would argue CAIR isn't a pro-Islamic organization with accompanying biases.
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bmsd_0923 7y ago
They actually got busted in 1992 for stealing records from the SFPD to spy on their enemies: https://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228 https://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228
manfredo 7y ago
It's an organization that has repeatedly been sued for defamation, and paid out tens of millions of dollars for doing do. Among some of the most egregious episodes were when they recruited a family to wiretap their neighbors. To many, they embody the tendency of using allegations of hate and bigotry to justify authoritarian measures. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League

The ADL is a Zionist organization. It's hard to take their opinions on ethnonationalism seriously at all when you consider their goals for Israel.

scarmig 7y ago
Their goal for Israel: a democratic, two-state solution that provides for the security of everyone living in Israel and Palestine. https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/dont-destroy-the-two-state-solution https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/dont-destroy-the-two-state-so... Sure, they might have a bit of a blind spot that makes them overly favorable toward Israel, but in a sea of bad actors, they're one of the few groups acting in good faith.
- alfromspace 7y ago
  https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-04-13-mn-22383-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-04-13-mn-22383-... https://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228 https://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228 The ADL spied extensively on not only pro-Palestinian activists, but also on anti-South African apartheid activists, presumably because they didn't want their critiques being used on Israel.
  - scarmig 7y ago
    I was curious, so I read the articles. For something intended to critique the ADL, they spend a lot of time listing malign actions of the government of Israel. Which is annoying, because... I don't care. I oppose Israel having cooperated with South Africa in the 60s and 70s, but that has pretty much nothing to do with the ADL in 2019. The spying seems like a more damning charge. But the word is doing a lot of work: most prominent political organizations maintain rolodexes of reporters and activists, along with their stances and perspectives. It's part of what makes them effective--you can rest assured that e.g. CAIR does the same. Characterizing it as spying is a bit overwrought.
    - alfromspace 7y ago
      We're talking about the ADL being a Zionist organization, and the viewpoints that caused individuals to be the subjects of spying (or whatever you want to call it) clearly indicates a pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian bias. I don't think anyone would argue CAIR isn't a pro-Islamic organization with accompanying biases.
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bmsd_0923 7y ago

They actually got busted in 1992 for stealing records from the SFPD to spy on their enemies: https://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228 https://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228

manfredo 7y ago

It's an organization that has repeatedly been sued for defamation, and paid out tens of millions of dollars for doing do. Among some of the most egregious episodes were when they recruited a family to wiretap their neighbors. To many, they embody the tendency of using allegations of hate and bigotry to justify authoritarian measures. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League