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> And the correct activity to tax is the delivery itself [...] Ideally taxed to the business doing the delivery Congratulations! You have discovered gas taxes
by pif 7y ago
> And the correct activity to tax is the delivery itself [...] Ideally taxed to the business doing the delivery
Congratulations! You have discovered gas taxes ;-)
- ceejayoz 7y agoThose aren't going to be super useful as the shift to electric continues.
- oh_sigh 7y agoAlso, gas taxes don't account for different vehicle damage rates to roads. Gas taxes impose effectively a constant per pound-hour tax on road use, which is fine, but roads are damaged based on what is called the 4th power law, so 1000kg axel weight does 16x more damage than 500kg axel weight.
- ip26 7y agoThe pitfall is that gas taxes are apparently not strongly correlated to road wear. A gallon of gas in a passenger vehicle does dramatically less road damage than a gallon of gas in a delivery truck.
- fdswefsad 7y agoYou're right, but it's somewhat offset that a delivery truck uses more gas per mile than a passenger vehicle. Besides, we should discourage passenger vehicle use anyway, so raise the gas tax until it covers per mile delivery vehicle road wear.
- sharkmerry 7y agoNot offset enough. a hummer does 21x the wear/tear that an average car does. a 9ton big-rig does 410x the damage https://streets.mn/2016/07/07/chart-of-the-day-vehicle-weight-vs-road-damage-levels/ https://streets.mn/2016/07/07/chart-of-the-day-vehicle-weigh...
- riversflow 7y agoWe need to fix our urban housing problem, or provide further positive incentives for non-ICE vehicles so we aren’t creating a regressive tax. Newsflash: most people don’t like driving a lot, they do it because they feel like they must.
- makomk 7y agoHmmm. Last mile deliveries are generally a mixture of passenger cars and small vans, whereas deliveries to stores are done using large trucks with disproportionately more road wear. Maybe store deliveries should be taxed higher than home deliveries?
- ip26 7y agoThe ideal would be something like, per vehicle, measure mileage and multiply that by a road-wear lookup table indexed with gross vehicle weight rating & number of axles. Cost would be passed down to the consumer and then the market would sort it all out.
- dominotw 7y ago> A gallon of gas in a passenger vehicle does dramatically less road damage than a gallon of gas in a delivery truck. How? I don't follow this logic.
- mantas 7y agoHeavy vehicles put exponentially more wear. Especially if the road was not built for having that weight on it. Let's say you build a drive way for a car. You could park a 2 ton car every day for decades with no damage. Yet a massive truck parked once may fuck it up due to it's sheer weight.
- dominotw 7y agothat would make sense if roads are built for 5 trips of a car than 1 trip of truck. ( Because car is travelling longer with that one gallon of gallon.) Is that true though that X cars travelling a mile of road would do less damage than 1 truck traveling on that same road?
- mantas 7y agoThe problem is big load, even if for a short amount of time. Just like for bridges. If a bridge can sustain a car a minute, that doesn't necessarily mean that it could sustain a truck once...