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We should be less worried about overt propaganda like DeepFakes and more worried about the assumptions baked into the media of all imperialist nations, the misd

We should be less worried about overt propaganda like DeepFakes and more worried about the assumptions baked into the media of all imperialist nations, the misdirection, and the selection of "what" to report on. States have been lying to us since time immemorial, and they don't need fancy video evidence to do it. But this is a cool demo, and since the Genie is out of the bottle, this can be a great tool. You could use it to force those who speak in public the most to be accountable for the things that they don't say, or equivocate on, by making videos of them saying it, and forcing them to go on the record denying the video, in contradiction to their established (unspoken) position.

uponcoffee 7y ago
> States have been lying to us since time immemorial, and they don't need fancy video evidence to do it. True, but now they'll be able to drive any narrative with as much A/V 'evidence' as they want. Lies by omission or one sided reporting are dangerous in their own right, but challenging that is different from challenging fake evidence. It's hard to say "It wasn't me" if you're on tape/film. You'd have to have experts argue over validity but the public doesn't have the attention span or trust to follow that. Deepfakes have the potential to be extremely damning/damaging to public image/reputation in a way that biased reporting never did.
larnmar 7y ago
What is a non-“imperialist” nation, and what makes you think their media is any better? The rest of your comment I agree with, but attributing it to “the media of imperialist nations” instead of just being a property of media organisations in general, is wrong.
- eutropia 7y ago
  I mean states which are ruled democratically rather than by elites. This means that the implicit bias in a democratic media is that of serving the people and exposing truth rather than covering for corpo-fascists and state-sponsered terrorism. There's such a thing as genuinely good reporting and integrity in journalism (even in authoritarian states)- it just needs to also be free of coercion and aware of the frame of reference that it exists in.
  - larnmar 7y ago
    I was fourteen once too, kid. I know the world looks simple when you’re out there forming your very first political opinions, but it’s really not. The world isn’t some simple struggle between good guys and bad guys, it’s an incomprehensibly complicated overlap between lots of people acting in response to various incentives that they themselves don’t understand. I recommend keeping your mind open and your mouth shut as you learn a bit more about how the real world works; hopefully before you’re old enough to vote.
    - dang 7y ago
      Personal attacks will get you banned again. Would you please review the site guidelines and stick to the rules? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

uponcoffee 7y ago

> States have been lying to us since time immemorial, and they don't need fancy video evidence to do it. True, but now they'll be able to drive any narrative with as much A/V 'evidence' as they want. Lies by omission or one sided reporting are dangerous in their own right, but challenging that is different from challenging fake evidence. It's hard to say "It wasn't me" if you're on tape/film. You'd have to have experts argue over validity but the public doesn't have the attention span or trust to follow that. Deepfakes have the potential to be extremely damning/damaging to public image/reputation in a way that biased reporting never did.

larnmar 7y ago

What is a non-“imperialist” nation, and what makes you think their media is any better? The rest of your comment I agree with, but attributing it to “the media of imperialist nations” instead of just being a property of media organisations in general, is wrong.

eutropia 7y ago
I mean states which are ruled democratically rather than by elites. This means that the implicit bias in a democratic media is that of serving the people and exposing truth rather than covering for corpo-fascists and state-sponsered terrorism. There's such a thing as genuinely good reporting and integrity in journalism (even in authoritarian states)- it just needs to also be free of coercion and aware of the frame of reference that it exists in.
- larnmar 7y ago
  I was fourteen once too, kid. I know the world looks simple when you’re out there forming your very first political opinions, but it’s really not. The world isn’t some simple struggle between good guys and bad guys, it’s an incomprehensibly complicated overlap between lots of people acting in response to various incentives that they themselves don’t understand. I recommend keeping your mind open and your mouth shut as you learn a bit more about how the real world works; hopefully before you’re old enough to vote.
  - dang 7y ago
    Personal attacks will get you banned again. Would you please review the site guidelines and stick to the rules? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html