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This article is disinformation. A singular map and strawman-premise do not undermine millions of human hours of climate science, core samples, troves of data,

This article is disinformation. A singular map and strawman-premise do not undermine millions of human hours of climate science, core samples, troves of data, etc. You believe this nonsense at our mutual peril. The climate crisis WILL utterly destroy human civilization through an ever reducing funnel, an ever tightening noose, and we are currently in the last phase of determining the height of that curves trajectory. There is nothing "too extreme" to attempt at this point in time. We should be prepared to spend up to 100% of our resources in fighting this existential threat. Certainly giving up fossil fuels is not "too extreme". They were due to exit-stage-left decades ago. We have the tech, let's make it happen. And for heavens sake, enough of this fake "moderate" fossil fuel drivel.

thomaskcr 7y ago
> The climate crisis WILL utterly destroy human civilization through an ever reducing funnel, an ever tightening noose, and we are currently in the last phase of determining the height of that curves trajectory. > There is nothing "too extreme" to attempt at this point in time. We should be prepared to spend up to 100% of our resources in fighting this existential threat. Certainly giving up fossil fuels is not "too extreme". They were due to exit-stage-left decades ago. Ew. I did the sustainability minor with my chem e degree - so I understand the importance of action on climate change. People like you with the hysterics and dramatic statements make everyone else roll their eyes and remember all the doomsaying articles they've been reading forever. I think you should just leave this to the adults.
dr_dshiv 7y ago
I just don't understand this thinking. The sea levels 8000 years ago allowed people to walk from the Netherlands to England. Climate change is consistent. Yes, humans are causing it this time and we should try to stabilize the climate. But.. >There is nothing "too extreme" to attempt at this point in time No, this is not the apocalypse. Aren't you concerned that an even more extreme version of yourself would do something very, very bad to many, many people for the sake of the cause? Extremism is bad.
- dwaltrip 7y ago
  8000 years ago there weren't large cities with dozens of millions of people living in each one, many of them right on the coast. Humanity didn't need to grow enough food to feed billions of people. There was no potential for large-scale modern warfare that can kill hundreds of million of people. We didn't depend on a wide array of advanced technologies and infrastructure -- which can be damaged, uprooted, or destroyed -- to support a relatively comfortable lifestyle for most people in developed countries. Incredibly rapid climate change has a much different impact now that it would have 8000 years ago. By the way, the science is pretty clear that then climate change happening today is far more rapid than anything that has happened in recent geologic history. I agree that spending 100% of our resources doesn't look to be necessary. But 5% or 10%? If this is what the science and engineering analysis tells us we should probably l do, then that seems like a rather responsible and beneficial course of action, given the known risks and the potential unknown unknowns.

thomaskcr 7y ago

> The climate crisis WILL utterly destroy human civilization through an ever reducing funnel, an ever tightening noose, and we are currently in the last phase of determining the height of that curves trajectory. > There is nothing "too extreme" to attempt at this point in time. We should be prepared to spend up to 100% of our resources in fighting this existential threat. Certainly giving up fossil fuels is not "too extreme". They were due to exit-stage-left decades ago. Ew. I did the sustainability minor with my chem e degree - so I understand the importance of action on climate change. People like you with the hysterics and dramatic statements make everyone else roll their eyes and remember all the doomsaying articles they've been reading forever. I think you should just leave this to the adults.

dr_dshiv 7y ago

I just don't understand this thinking. The sea levels 8000 years ago allowed people to walk from the Netherlands to England. Climate change is consistent. Yes, humans are causing it this time and we should try to stabilize the climate. But.. >There is nothing "too extreme" to attempt at this point in time No, this is not the apocalypse. Aren't you concerned that an even more extreme version of yourself would do something very, very bad to many, many people for the sake of the cause? Extremism is bad.

dwaltrip 7y ago
8000 years ago there weren't large cities with dozens of millions of people living in each one, many of them right on the coast. Humanity didn't need to grow enough food to feed billions of people. There was no potential for large-scale modern warfare that can kill hundreds of million of people. We didn't depend on a wide array of advanced technologies and infrastructure -- which can be damaged, uprooted, or destroyed -- to support a relatively comfortable lifestyle for most people in developed countries. Incredibly rapid climate change has a much different impact now that it would have 8000 years ago. By the way, the science is pretty clear that then climate change happening today is far more rapid than anything that has happened in recent geologic history. I agree that spending 100% of our resources doesn't look to be necessary. But 5% or 10%? If this is what the science and engineering analysis tells us we should probably l do, then that seems like a rather responsible and beneficial course of action, given the known risks and the potential unknown unknowns.