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You couldn't invent a more polar opposite of Steve Jobs than Elon Musk. VERY disorganized presenting. Badly rehearsed. Awkward speech. Speech is almost never i
by atonse 7y ago
You couldn't invent a more polar opposite of Steve Jobs than Elon Musk.
VERY disorganized presenting. Badly rehearsed. Awkward speech. Speech is almost never in sync with slides. Demos failed spectacularly. The rest of the event was him with a backdrop of two broken windows.
They didn't show the interior, and barely talked about the bed. Is this even good as a pickup truck? Is there enough storage?
This all seemed hastily put together (probably as a response to the other pickup truck press). But for an Elon presentation, this is pretty normal (high awkwardness).
Signed, Model 3 Driver (who loves his car).
- pmorici 7y agoAt the very end they brought out an ATV and put it in the bed. With the exception that it looks pretty far out there the specs are certainly impressive.
- et2o 7y agoI'm willing to bet this truck is going to outsell the Model 3 and Y combined. Tesla is getting even further and further from the restrictions of ICE vehicle design.
- TylerE 7y agoThe core truck buying market won't touch this with a 30ft pole.
- nine_k 7y agoIf you can fuel your truck with your wind generator "for free", it could have more than a few heads scratched.
- _bxg1 7y agoYeah; after living in urban Texas you realize that the core truck buying market couldn't care less about utility. They literally mod their spotless piles of metal to be less efficient. They just want it to fit their definition of what looks cool. And this ain't it, chief.
- et2o 7y agoThis looks incredibly cool. It's like a vehicle from bladerunner. It's going to be iconic.
- _bxg1 7y agoCool to nerds like us is not the same thing as cool to executives who want to pretend they're ranchers. Although I'm not shocked that Elon Musk wouldn't realize the difference.
- elihu 7y agoSome people will like it, and some people won't. Tesla doesn't need to convince everyone. I expect there's a market for it, but time will tell.
- leesec 7y agoThanks for speaking on behalf of a huge population of people who buy trucks. Guess will have to see what kind of numbers this thing sells. (it will sell at least one, to me, though)
- _bxg1 7y agoTo be fair, the other large market - actual farmers/ranchers - does care about utility. But I also don't see them spending $50k on this kind of vehicle. Edit: Others have pointed out my apparent ignorance of truck pricing; turns out this is a normal price
- et2o 7y agoThat’s about how much average F-150s cost anyway.
- bryanlarsen 7y agoI never see any base model pickup trucks in farming country and even fewer in ranching country. You can see many old beaters, but they're outnumbered by the fancy ones.
- mirimir 7y agoThey would if it were as bulletproof as it looks. Edit: Ah. I didn't allow all of the scripts at first, so didn't see the text about "exterior shell made for ultimate durability and passenger protection". They ought to use actual "bulletproof" windows, however. So I wonder if this is aimed at wealthy preppers. Also, the nose should be depleted uranium, with the batteries just behind and shielded, to facilitate punching through other vehicles in the way.
- Ajedi32 7y agoIt is _literally_ bulletproof, according to the demonstration video they showed during the presentation. Well, not the windows; but the truck body is.
- ctdonath 7y agoI expect the windows will be bulletproof by next month, given the embarrassing demo failure.
- Ajedi32 7y agoI don't think making the windows as tough as the stainless steel truck body is a design goal. I suspect they'll probably improve them so they survive the "hurl a steel sphere at the window as hard as you can" test from the on-stage demo, but I doubt the stock windows will ever be literally bulletproof like the truck body is.
- austinkhale 7y agoEh, I'm not sure about that. I drive a Silverado. It's a family thing; I started driving one when I was 16. I put down $100 tonight. I'm not 100% sold, but I actually like that it's different.
- wp381640 7y agoI have pig hunting friends who all said they can't wait to stand on the back and hunt pigs with a quiet electric truck
- unethical_ban 7y agoLike they won't touch the Jeep Rubicon or the Toyota Tacoma.
- fnord77 7y agowas there a video? not there now
- sirodoht 7y agoHere you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwvDOdBHYBw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwvDOdBHYBw
- unityByFreedom 7y ago> You couldn't invent a more polar opposite of Steve Jobs than Elon Musk. Jobs would start off describing a common problem before unveiling the product which inevitably solves said problem. This often brought cheers that felt genuine. Musk simply shows something bizarre and talks about how they made it, never how it solves your problems (other than a desire for the latest tech). edit Regarding the transition to EV vehicles, that's what Musk always says about new models, it's not a new thing.
- leesec 7y agoLol it's absurd to say the cheers didn't feel genuine. The crowd was insanely hype about this.
- oxplot 7y agoDidn't he start by saying the trucks in this category are number 1 sellers and to move everyone to sustainable energy, trucks need to go electric?
- mempko 7y agoHe is wrong, the market won't solve this problem. We need mass transit, not more cars EV or not.
- mempko 7y agoSorry, I meant to say the market will solve this problem. We don't need mass transit, we need more EV cars. Everyone should have a 7 ton steel EV to carry all the stuff they buy in the abundant future we have before us.
- ip26 7y agoI had never watched him give a presentation before. I started at, "This is terrible, this guy is crazy" By about halfway through though it turned into, "This guy is crazy, and I really hope he succeeds"
- atonse 7y agoAgreed. I continue to want Tesla to wildly succeed. I don’t know anything about actual pickup trucks or why people buy them. Which is why I mainly commented on the presentation style.
- ehsankia 7y agoWanting to see him succeed or not aside, I find this far more intriguing and alluring. Apple keynote, especially recent ones, have become so cookiecutter and predictable. The surprise and strangeness factor is what makes Tesla events so irresistible. You truly feel like anything could happen, even the window breaking TWICE.
- taurath 7y agoWhen he puts a stat on there, it’s a hard friggin stat, not the flowery puffiness of Apple.
- kijin 7y agoElon keeps screwing up his presentations, and people keep buying his products. He give me hope that a sleek presentation isn't all that matters. That humanity still cares about content, not just the outward appearances.
- sixothree 7y agoMy question: Can it fit a sheet of plywood in the bed.
- gimmeThaBeet 7y agoin some orientation? most likely. but not flat, the bed is 6.5' long, so no 4x8s.
- hcurtiss 7y agoThat’s true of most trucks sold these days. The question is whether it’s 4’ between the wheel wells.
- gimmeThaBeet 7y agoI see 57 inches. It looks like a ridgeline et al. the wells don't look like they protrude into the bed at all.
- sixothree 7y agoHow wide is the bed?
- BRAlNlAC 7y ago>Bed is 6.5' long Such a disappointment personally, I hope they add a chassis option with an 8' bed and two seats, or maybe make the back seats removable? also they need a lumber rack. seriously, pickup trucks have lumber racks. I think they are missing out on a significant market segment of trades people by not offering it with an 8' bed(or a rack), and a foreseeable second-order effect is that it will give the Cybertruck the repute of being a poser vehicle. I like everything about it, except that it has a huge cab and a small bed.
- newnewpdro 7y agoIt's not a work truck.
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- et2o 7y agoDoes the presentation really matter? 99% of people who will buy one of these were not watching. They'll just see the pictures online later.
- gkoberger 7y agoNo, but I think a lot of people group Musk and Jobs together. It's not that one is "better" than the other or anything like that, but rather they're very different people.
- ctdonath 7y agoI watched it, I cringed, I still put $100 down on a top-end model, hoping I'll have the cash when it arrives 2+ years hence. Thing is: though the glass demo failed, we still know this guy comes thru with great stuff - he'll get that problem fixed, and we'll have videos soon of someone literally shooting up the truck with practically no damage (glass included). The man managed to get rockets to land & reuse; fixing the glass will be resolved next week. I'm not sure if I'm thrilled or dismayed by the exterior design, but it's innovative and futuristic. It pushes the state of the industry forward.
- newnewpdro 7y ago> I'm not sure if I'm thrilled or dismayed by the exterior design, but it's innovative and futuristic. It pushes the state of the industry forward. It's unclear to me how an exterior design devoid of compound curves pushes the industry forward.
- lallysingh 7y agoIt doesn't have a 7'x4' chrome grill. That's a major change from other pickups.
- grecy 7y agoRead some of the Motortrend articles that are going up about this. It's all about manufacturing and "The machine that builds the machine".
- dba7dba 7y agoI've seen Elon say he spends about 1% (or something like it) of his time for marketing/presentation preparation. And I think it included press-interviews/presentation-prep/etc. And he was planning/hoping to reduce it even more. From what you say, it seems Elon achieved his goal regarding his time management goal. And I also remember some saying Apple engineers basically spent their time all year preparing for Jobs' next upcoming presentation. :)
- Razengan 7y agoAnd yet I think he’s the closest analogue to Steve Jobs. :) A passionate person in charge, who tries to make the things he wants to use. I wonder if the awkward persona isn’t intentional, i.e. to project a certain image, perhaps to appear less intimidating and more approachable, the guy you could nerd out about stuff with.
- deepGem 7y agoWholeheartedly agree. Musk doesn't seem to give a shit about presentations. I won't be surprised if he doesn't even throw a fit at the window breakage fiasco. In Jobs world, that team would have been fired by now. Musk is a tinkerer and it shows in all the aspects that you have outlined. Regarding the interior - some 3-4 guys stepped out of the truck implying it must be quite spacious. An ATV could fit in the bed. So this truck is most likely going to sell. Pricing is spot on.
- vijaybritto 7y ago6 people stepped out
- sneak 7y agoI have a feeling he is used to his staff accidentally shattering extremely expensive things at critical moments on camera by now.
- canada_dry 7y agoCan someone that has actually worked closely with Musk confirm: is his thought process and speech as utterly disjointed as happens in most of his presentations? Or, is this a nutty professor kinda of shtick that Elon thinks makes him seem more personable? His presentations are painful to watch.
- luckydata 7y agoHe's not a native English speaker and that has an impact.
- newsbinator 7y agoHe's a native English speaker. > There were compulsory subjects like Afrikaans, and I just didn’t see the point of learning that. It seemed ridiculous. I'd get a passing grade and that was fine. https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=zRXjCwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA43&ots=F6xbYjrVnK&dq=There%20were%20compulsory%20subjects%20like%20Afrikaans%2C%20and%20I%20just%20didn%E2%80%99t%20see%20the%20point%20of%20learning%20that.%20It%20seemed%20ridiculous.%20I'd%20get%20a%20passing%20grade%20and%20that%20was%20fine.&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q=There%20were%20compulsory%20subjects%20like%20Afrikaans,%20and%20I%20just%20didn%E2%80%99t%20see%20the%20point%20of%20learning%20that.%20It%20seemed%20ridiculous.%20I'd%20get%20a%20passing%20grade%20and%20that%20was%20fine.&f=false https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=zRXjCwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA43&ot...
- goose847 7y agoYou know we speak English in South Africa, right?
- SECProto 7y agoThat either-or choice isn't fair. I'd guess it's a third - his mind races ahead (or off to the side, or the clouds) when he's doing presentations. Many people have poor presenting skills. Just few of them get to be CEO and still insist on being the public face of the company
- xeromal 7y agoI think he's just nervous like your average spaz out nerd is
- wp381640 7y agoThere's something charming about it - even though it has the performance and characteristics of a cheesy off-strip magic show on talent show night
- kyle_v 7y agoI think there's a bit of an endearing "Oh elon" quality to his demeanor that seems more authentic than a polished CEO.
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- h0l0cube 7y ago> But for an Elon presentation, this is pretty normal (high awkwardness). Give me the high-functioning aspie CEO who puts all their energy into realizing a brilliant vision, and has none left over to game their audience with 'charisma' (e.g., Adam Neumann). Not sure that Steve Jobs was much of a normie either - though possibly his meditation practice had some effect to his conduct.
- jamesbfb 7y agoI replied to someone else with a very similar response, but I always thought the awkwardness of Elon giving presentations adds a certain level of sincerity. However, I do agree that some more specifics regarding interior, the bed, etc would have been nice. Signed, not a Tesla owner :(