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Virtue signaling doesn't work in business. Should yc do any business in the US which is mired in illegal wars and regime change operation all over the world? Wh

by plntd 7y ago

Virtue signaling doesn't work in business. Should yc do any business in the US which is mired in illegal wars and regime change operation all over the world? What about Saudi arabia? Should silicon valley and traditional media give up the billions in Saudi investment? Every major economic player is evil in some form or another. And the parallel with china isn't nazi Germany. It's with 19th century US.

dangxiaopin 7y ago
It does at Google. They have enough fat to digest it for a while.
harimau777 7y ago
The US certainly has its problems, but I don't think it's fair to draw a moral equivalence with what's happening in China.
- mirimir 7y ago
  The US did invade Iraq, not that long ago. Hundreds of thousands died.
  - harimau777 7y ago
    I generally think that the way in Iraq was a mistake; however, even then: The motivation appears to have been different, fighting terrorism and finding WMDs versus societal control and religious intolerance. The majority, though certainly not all, of the people killed were combatants rather than civilians.
    - mirimir 7y ago
      No, the majority were ~innocent people. Although, as in any invasion, the distinction was blurry. While the invasion was sold on the basis of terrorism and WMD, that was mostly bullshit. I mean, the US originally supported Saddam Hussein because he opposed communists supported by Russia. And it used Iraq in a proxy war against Iran, is also supported by Russia. Basically, the US invaded Iraq because it had to invade somewhere after the 9/11 attacks. Saudi Arabia was the obvious suspect, given their funding of fundamentalist Islam generally, and Al-Qaeda specifically. Plus the fact that most of the attackers were Saudi. But that was unworkable, for many reasons. Afghanistan was the other obvious target, but everyone knew that it would be a morass. Given Russia's experience, for example. Or Britain's, back in the day. Plus the fact that most of it had already been pounded into sand. So Iraq was the perfect target. With lots of juicy stuff to destroy. And an ineffectual military. Another goal was demonstrating US military hardware. Advertising, to increase sales.
- zlei 7y ago
  Chinese citizen here. I guess you're implying that certain bad things are happening in China. Do you really live in China and see those things happen, or just hear about them from the media? And is it possible that some of the media in US are inhonest? Just as there're inhonest media in China. I'm not fighting you on this topic; just don't understand why there's so much hatred towards our country.
  - learc83 7y ago
    There is plenty of non US media reporting on the camps in Xinjiang. Why don't you travel to Xinjiang and do some investigating. If the camps there are really fabricated by the US media, surely the government won't mind you traveling around and filming the suspected sites? >just don't understand why there's so much hatred towards our country. I don't hate you or the other people of your country. I'd love to visit someday and relearn some of the Mandarin I learned in college. However, I do hate what your government is doing to the people of Xinjiang. Why wouldn't I be upset about this?
    - throwaway423342 7y ago
      There're serious security issues that need to be addressed in Xinjiang. Don't assume it's related to racism. Also, when you use the word `camp` it automatically reminds people of Nazi camps during WWII. They are not the same, on multiple levels.
  - emmelaich 7y ago
    It's not hatred and it's not against your country. It's distrust of your government. There is an enormous amount of respect and fascination with China and its history, culture and people. Your current government is wasting that. China was going in a positive direction until Xi Jinping.
  - ottolin 7y ago
    Simply go south and take a look what's happening in Hong Kong right now. Is that bad enough?
  - aguyfromnb 7y ago
colechristensen 7y ago
You have to choose your battles. China is literally building concentration camps. Comparing Xi to Hitler is not exaggeration. Virtue signaling absolutely works with China. "Losing face" is a big part of their culture and if important business partners start dropping off like flies and calling out their atrocities, they will take notice. Just look at how much of a fuss that NBA manager's tweet made. >What about Saudi arabia? Should silicon valley and traditional media give up the billions in Saudi investment? Yes.
Proven 7y ago
Moderation policies on this site indicate that YC is very much into virtue signaling (when it helps their business objectives). Nazi Germany is a much closer parallel for today's China than 19th century US.

by plntd 7y ago

dangxiaopin 7y ago

It does at Google. They have enough fat to digest it for a while.

harimau777 7y ago

The US certainly has its problems, but I don't think it's fair to draw a moral equivalence with what's happening in China.

mirimir 7y ago
The US did invade Iraq, not that long ago. Hundreds of thousands died.
- harimau777 7y ago
  I generally think that the way in Iraq was a mistake; however, even then: The motivation appears to have been different, fighting terrorism and finding WMDs versus societal control and religious intolerance. The majority, though certainly not all, of the people killed were combatants rather than civilians.
  - mirimir 7y ago
    No, the majority were ~innocent people. Although, as in any invasion, the distinction was blurry. While the invasion was sold on the basis of terrorism and WMD, that was mostly bullshit. I mean, the US originally supported Saddam Hussein because he opposed communists supported by Russia. And it used Iraq in a proxy war against Iran, is also supported by Russia. Basically, the US invaded Iraq because it had to invade somewhere after the 9/11 attacks. Saudi Arabia was the obvious suspect, given their funding of fundamentalist Islam generally, and Al-Qaeda specifically. Plus the fact that most of the attackers were Saudi. But that was unworkable, for many reasons. Afghanistan was the other obvious target, but everyone knew that it would be a morass. Given Russia's experience, for example. Or Britain's, back in the day. Plus the fact that most of it had already been pounded into sand. So Iraq was the perfect target. With lots of juicy stuff to destroy. And an ineffectual military. Another goal was demonstrating US military hardware. Advertising, to increase sales.
zlei 7y ago
Chinese citizen here. I guess you're implying that certain bad things are happening in China. Do you really live in China and see those things happen, or just hear about them from the media? And is it possible that some of the media in US are inhonest? Just as there're inhonest media in China. I'm not fighting you on this topic; just don't understand why there's so much hatred towards our country.
- learc83 7y ago
  There is plenty of non US media reporting on the camps in Xinjiang. Why don't you travel to Xinjiang and do some investigating. If the camps there are really fabricated by the US media, surely the government won't mind you traveling around and filming the suspected sites? >just don't understand why there's so much hatred towards our country. I don't hate you or the other people of your country. I'd love to visit someday and relearn some of the Mandarin I learned in college. However, I do hate what your government is doing to the people of Xinjiang. Why wouldn't I be upset about this?
  - throwaway423342 7y ago
    There're serious security issues that need to be addressed in Xinjiang. Don't assume it's related to racism. Also, when you use the word `camp` it automatically reminds people of Nazi camps during WWII. They are not the same, on multiple levels.
- emmelaich 7y ago
  It's not hatred and it's not against your country. It's distrust of your government. There is an enormous amount of respect and fascination with China and its history, culture and people. Your current government is wasting that. China was going in a positive direction until Xi Jinping.
- ottolin 7y ago
  Simply go south and take a look what's happening in Hong Kong right now. Is that bad enough?
- aguyfromnb 7y ago

colechristensen 7y ago

You have to choose your battles. China is literally building concentration camps. Comparing Xi to Hitler is not exaggeration. Virtue signaling absolutely works with China. "Losing face" is a big part of their culture and if important business partners start dropping off like flies and calling out their atrocities, they will take notice. Just look at how much of a fuss that NBA manager's tweet made. >What about Saudi arabia? Should silicon valley and traditional media give up the billions in Saudi investment? Yes.

Proven 7y ago

Moderation policies on this site indicate that YC is very much into virtue signaling (when it helps their business objectives). Nazi Germany is a much closer parallel for today's China than 19th century US.