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> Exactly one of the following two claims is a lie: No, a lie is a deception carried out by means of an untrue statement. "1 + 1 = 3" is not a lie, but an acco
by ben509 7y ago
> Exactly one of the following two claims is a lie:
No, a lie is a deception carried out by means of an untrue statement. "1 + 1 = 3" is not a lie, but an accountant claiming such in order to embezzle is lying.
> 1) “Vaccines are safe”
> 2) “Vaccines cause, rather than prevent, illnesses”.
For the sake of getting at the deeper problem with this argument, I'll grant that a version of these assertions could be roughly mutually exclusive.
> If 1 is true, the antivaxx movement is risking tens of millions of lives and >>billions of disability adjusted years of life expectancy.
> If 2 is true, vaccines are a multibillion dollar fraud.
You've framed this as though it's hard to believe that the antivaxx movement would risk people dying and becoming disabled.
Many positions impose a potentially high death toll if you're wrong, e.g. both sides of the debates on war, guns, climate change, health care.
In an alternate history, Neville Chamberlain could have been the man who brokered "peace in our time." He believed he was right and, correctly, believed going to war would be bloody and awful, and took actions based on those beliefs.
But we typically have little direct influence over policy, so what dominates people's views is the immediate impact they observe. In that "multibillion dollar fraud" you have countless doctors and pharmacists administering vaccines to people they know, watching them get sick, and shrugging it off to collect a paycheck.
Unless medical school filters for people who are profoundly unethical, that's not happening.
- ben_w 7y agoI appreciate that you’re giving the benefit of the doubt to what was, in retrospect, a poorly written dichotomy on my part. However, I can’t follow the point you’re making. If it isn’t too much to ask for an internet stranger, could I ask you to rephrase that?
- y4mi 7y agowhile i dont believe this to be the case with vaccines: they can be non-complicit with it and still unknowingly participate in the fraud. ultimately, the doctors have to trust their data as well, which can - theoretically! - be manufactured in order to sell snake oil equivalent. its a vanishingly small chance with vaccinations, but nonetheless a possibility which cant be outright denied. the sad thing about this is that we're almost guaranteed to have a situation like that at some point. it will likely be a significantly less widespread topic than vaccines, but there is too much money to be made with this for nobody to make an attempt. to be honest, i expect that there is already at least some medication like that in circulation and we just don't know about it (nor the doctors which prescribe them).