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> The fixed battery increase the overall durability and reduces materials over a design where there was a compartment that could be opened. > Apple does batter

by jfim 7y ago

> The fixed battery increase the overall durability and reduces materials over a design where there was a compartment that could be opened. > Apple does battery replacements in expensively relative to the cost of the device, and they supply batteries to 3rd party repair shops. How long does such a replacement take, and why would someone need to leave their phone in the hands of a third party in the first place? Back when most phones had replaceable batteries, it was just a matter of ordering a battery online and plopping it in. The extra materials needed for a battery door or lid are negligible (and significantly less toxic to manufacture than PCBs and electronics) compared to throwing away the phone outright.

zepto 7y ago
Last time I had it done with my current phone, it was done in less than 15 minutes. Extra materials are not negligible - at the scale of the iPhone, even 1% of additional material is vast. In any case, is not only the extra materials that are the problem, it is that phones with a battery compartment are much more fragile, harder to waterproof, etc, and so they fail sooner anyway regardless of whether the battery is changed. Battery compartments are a red herring. It is already easy and economical to replace an iPhone battery. People discarding otherwise serviceable phones because they have been misinformed about the ease of battery replacement is the real problem.
- at-fates-hands 7y ago
  > People discarding otherwise serviceable phones because they have been misinformed about the ease of battery replacement is the real problem. When you spend 100% of your time in a technical field, and deal with people who are technically savvy, you think everybody is capable of "easily" replacing a battery, or knowing that it can be done relatively easy. There are millions of people who are completely unaware that getting your battery replaced is an easy thing for someone who knows how to do it. What do most non-technical people do when their iphone battery starts dying a lot faster? They don't google, "iphone battery repair" or look for a local repair shop to do this, they take it right back to the Apple store. What do you think the Apple store employee is going to tell them? "Hey this battery is dead, you should probably just upgrade the phone."
  - zepto 7y ago
    This is complete fabrication. I don’t have to speculate about what the Apple employee is going to do. I have been into the Apple store. What the employee actually does is to run a diagnostic and offer a battery replacement service. The reason people don’t know this is partially due to having been misinformed by people like you.

by jfim 7y ago

zepto 7y ago

Last time I had it done with my current phone, it was done in less than 15 minutes. Extra materials are not negligible - at the scale of the iPhone, even 1% of additional material is vast. In any case, is not only the extra materials that are the problem, it is that phones with a battery compartment are much more fragile, harder to waterproof, etc, and so they fail sooner anyway regardless of whether the battery is changed. Battery compartments are a red herring. It is already easy and economical to replace an iPhone battery. People discarding otherwise serviceable phones because they have been misinformed about the ease of battery replacement is the real problem.

at-fates-hands 7y ago
> People discarding otherwise serviceable phones because they have been misinformed about the ease of battery replacement is the real problem. When you spend 100% of your time in a technical field, and deal with people who are technically savvy, you think everybody is capable of "easily" replacing a battery, or knowing that it can be done relatively easy. There are millions of people who are completely unaware that getting your battery replaced is an easy thing for someone who knows how to do it. What do most non-technical people do when their iphone battery starts dying a lot faster? They don't google, "iphone battery repair" or look for a local repair shop to do this, they take it right back to the Apple store. What do you think the Apple store employee is going to tell them? "Hey this battery is dead, you should probably just upgrade the phone."
- zepto 7y ago
  This is complete fabrication. I don’t have to speculate about what the Apple employee is going to do. I have been into the Apple store. What the employee actually does is to run a diagnostic and offer a battery replacement service. The reason people don’t know this is partially due to having been misinformed by people like you.