> I live an apartment building, so the average Amazon delivery driver drops off 20 or 30 packages as part of a route that probably has hundreds of packages, so

> I live an apartment building, so the average Amazon delivery driver drops off 20 or 30 packages as part of a route that probably has hundreds of packages, so probably marginally Amazon has a lot less carbon load for the last leg than me going to Target? Hard question to answer. As another datapoint, I did hear from some researcher in a podcast that deliveries are ecologically much worse than going to the store. I've mentioned this on HN a few weeks ago[1], but I'll cite the points for convenience. The original[2] is in Flemish, so any translation mistakes are on me. These were the reasons given for why ordering packages is less ecological: - Many disparate products moved to many individual homes (many to many makes for a lot of 'movements', fragmentation) - 15-20% of people is not home during a delivery attempt (useless impact) - Returns are equally bad (people order 8 pairs of shoes knowing they'll send 7 back) - Different delivery companies cause even more fragmentation (driving to the same home) If I remember correctly (I didn't watch/listen it back anymore since 24 days), there wasn't really a question about it -- at least in Belgium -- that ordering is worse. Like, no exceptions were mentioned if I remember correctly. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21373578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21373578 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRqKEK_xJvc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRqKEK_xJvc