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The comment is true for me, though. When I see a linux machine boot up and display a series of aligned [ OK ]s on the left-hand side, I know instantly that it's

by jolmg 7y ago

The comment is true for me, though. When I see a linux machine boot up and display a series of aligned [ OK ]s on the left-hand side, I know instantly that it's using systemd. I don't remember seeing [ OK ] with sysvinit, or at least not as uniformly.

int_19h 7y ago
It depended on the distro. Red Hat was using it for a long time, which I suspect is why systemd has it, too. Look here at 24:40 - this is Red Hat 9, released in 2003: https://youtu.be/QKtzfwyspU0?t=1300 https://youtu.be/QKtzfwyspU0?t=1300 Gentoo also did it from the get go, although it's not SysV.
JohnFen 7y ago
> I know instantly that it's using systemd. Except you don't know really know that. It is objectively true that such usage was around for a long time before systemd in some major distros. I was seeing it at least 10 years ago, and I still see it on my systems that don't use systemd.
- jolmg 7y ago
  Well, I could be reasonably sure that it was, at least before I learned today that there were other init systems that also displayed their output like that. So, the statement: > the green [ OK ], is what many people already identify systemd with is true for people like me that were not familiar with those other systems. For example, most probably use Ubuntu (and probably only Ubuntu), and as far as I know it didn't display those [ OK ] until after it adopted systemd. So, at least there's a very large portion of users that never saw those [ OK ] until systemd came along. If I remember right, it was the same case with Archlinux, which is where I was first exposed to systemd. Imagine, the biggest news in your distro is the migration to systemd and the first and most obvious change you notice is that the boot process has all these neat [ OK ]s instead of random text. I think it's to be expected that people would identify systemd with that.
  - baked_ziti 7y ago
    I guess you're right, your experience is universal. SystemD really IS where that comes from.
    - jolmg 7y ago
      What do you mean? I thought we all agreed that it wasn't.
w0land 7y ago
No no no. I recall it from the firs linux distros i used, from 96 - 97, rpm based, both SuSE and RedHat.

by jolmg 7y ago

int_19h 7y ago

It depended on the distro. Red Hat was using it for a long time, which I suspect is why systemd has it, too. Look here at 24:40 - this is Red Hat 9, released in 2003: https://youtu.be/QKtzfwyspU0?t=1300 https://youtu.be/QKtzfwyspU0?t=1300 Gentoo also did it from the get go, although it's not SysV.

JohnFen 7y ago

> I know instantly that it's using systemd. Except you don't know really know that. It is objectively true that such usage was around for a long time before systemd in some major distros. I was seeing it at least 10 years ago, and I still see it on my systems that don't use systemd.

jolmg 7y ago
Well, I could be reasonably sure that it was, at least before I learned today that there were other init systems that also displayed their output like that. So, the statement: > the green [ OK ], is what many people already identify systemd with is true for people like me that were not familiar with those other systems. For example, most probably use Ubuntu (and probably only Ubuntu), and as far as I know it didn't display those [ OK ] until after it adopted systemd. So, at least there's a very large portion of users that never saw those [ OK ] until systemd came along. If I remember right, it was the same case with Archlinux, which is where I was first exposed to systemd. Imagine, the biggest news in your distro is the migration to systemd and the first and most obvious change you notice is that the boot process has all these neat [ OK ]s instead of random text. I think it's to be expected that people would identify systemd with that.
- baked_ziti 7y ago
  I guess you're right, your experience is universal. SystemD really IS where that comes from.
  - jolmg 7y ago
    What do you mean? I thought we all agreed that it wasn't.

w0land 7y ago

No no no. I recall it from the firs linux distros i used, from 96 - 97, rpm based, both SuSE and RedHat.