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An init system is just one of many, many projects under the systemd umbrella. Perhaps you should learn more about a project before launching into criticism?

fwxwi 7y ago
Ah that is true. That reminds me that they should only be an init system and not Cthulhu. Friendly reminder that they managed to infiltrate all distros by creating a hard dependency from GNOME to systemd, which they could only pull off because both projects belong to the same corporation.
- sjy 7y ago
  That makes it sound pretty sinister. Personally I like systemd and the fact that it’s widely deployed. Time spent learning it feels productive in a way that learning about the internals of specific distros doesn’t.
- calcifer 7y ago
  > infiltrate all distros > hard dependency from GNOME to systemd > both projects belong to the same corporation It is honestly impressive how you've managed to fit three different factually incorrect statements in a single sentence. Kudos.
  - fwxwi 7y ago
    GNOME and systemd are funded almost completely by Red Hat and their biggest contributors are full-time Red Hat employees. GNOME does not run at all without systemd. Even the biggest Linux distros, like Gentoo, struggle to create a patchset to modify GNOME so it does not require systemd; every new version of GNOME takes months to reach Gentoo stable. Most distros have bent the knee and switched to systemd because they had no other option, as GNOME is the most used Linux desktop so they kinda call the shots.
    - esarbe 7y ago
      Rrrrraaiiight.. Because it's sooo much easier to switch a whole distrubution to a new init system instead of.... Just providing a replacement library for the library that the systemd maintainers took on the burden of maintaining. Right! Dude, you sound like a conspiracy nut. It's constantly amazing to what length of self-delusion systemd haters are willing to go. Just. Woah.
    - SahAssar 7y ago
      If the changes are so bad and the maintainers are ignoring proper concerns why not use one of the forks?
  - esarbe 7y ago
    It's amazing, isn't it? And he makes it seem so effortlessly!
- lberk 7y ago
  Is that true? systemd is part of freedesktop.org (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/) > freedesktop.org is a completely volunteer organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream. We are a member project of Software in the Public Interest, Inc., for the purposes of holding assets. meanwhile gnome has it's own foundation at https://www.gnome.org/foundation/ https://www.gnome.org/foundation/ > The GNOME Foundation is a non-profit organization that furthers the goals of the GNOME Project, helping it to create a free software computing platform for the general public that is designed to be elegant, efficient, and easy to use.
edoceo 7y ago
So pretty soon SystemD will add additional service of beverages and, like the Borg, assimilate Coca-Cola?
- SahAssar 7y ago
  Are you similarly opposed to gnome having a logo? k8s? linux? What is the actual issue with having a logo and basic design guidelines?
  - edoceo 7y ago
    Oh, I was just piling on another comment that's a dig at the ever increasing footprint of SystemD. I'm not opposed to branding effort by any FOSS project, identity is important. This effort by SystemD is a "good thing" but, I'm not likely rep their kit

fwxwi 7y ago

Ah that is true. That reminds me that they should only be an init system and not Cthulhu. Friendly reminder that they managed to infiltrate all distros by creating a hard dependency from GNOME to systemd, which they could only pull off because both projects belong to the same corporation.

sjy 7y ago
That makes it sound pretty sinister. Personally I like systemd and the fact that it’s widely deployed. Time spent learning it feels productive in a way that learning about the internals of specific distros doesn’t.
calcifer 7y ago
> infiltrate all distros > hard dependency from GNOME to systemd > both projects belong to the same corporation It is honestly impressive how you've managed to fit three different factually incorrect statements in a single sentence. Kudos.
- fwxwi 7y ago
  GNOME and systemd are funded almost completely by Red Hat and their biggest contributors are full-time Red Hat employees. GNOME does not run at all without systemd. Even the biggest Linux distros, like Gentoo, struggle to create a patchset to modify GNOME so it does not require systemd; every new version of GNOME takes months to reach Gentoo stable. Most distros have bent the knee and switched to systemd because they had no other option, as GNOME is the most used Linux desktop so they kinda call the shots.
  - esarbe 7y ago
    Rrrrraaiiight.. Because it's sooo much easier to switch a whole distrubution to a new init system instead of.... Just providing a replacement library for the library that the systemd maintainers took on the burden of maintaining. Right! Dude, you sound like a conspiracy nut. It's constantly amazing to what length of self-delusion systemd haters are willing to go. Just. Woah.
  - SahAssar 7y ago
    If the changes are so bad and the maintainers are ignoring proper concerns why not use one of the forks?
- esarbe 7y ago
  It's amazing, isn't it? And he makes it seem so effortlessly!
lberk 7y ago
Is that true? systemd is part of freedesktop.org (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/) > freedesktop.org is a completely volunteer organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream. We are a member project of Software in the Public Interest, Inc., for the purposes of holding assets. meanwhile gnome has it's own foundation at https://www.gnome.org/foundation/ https://www.gnome.org/foundation/ > The GNOME Foundation is a non-profit organization that furthers the goals of the GNOME Project, helping it to create a free software computing platform for the general public that is designed to be elegant, efficient, and easy to use.

edoceo 7y ago

So pretty soon SystemD will add additional service of beverages and, like the Borg, assimilate Coca-Cola?

SahAssar 7y ago
Are you similarly opposed to gnome having a logo? k8s? linux? What is the actual issue with having a logo and basic design guidelines?
- edoceo 7y ago
  Oh, I was just piling on another comment that's a dig at the ever increasing footprint of SystemD. I'm not opposed to branding effort by any FOSS project, identity is important. This effort by SystemD is a "good thing" but, I'm not likely rep their kit