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Your link made your earlier statement appear disingenuous. One person's beliefs against the concept of same-sex marriage doesn't necessarily mean said person is

Your link made your earlier statement appear disingenuous. One person's beliefs against the concept of same-sex marriage doesn't necessarily mean said person is anti-gay. Those are two different issues really. One represents a social construct (and legal arrangement) and the other involves a personal preference or choice of lifestyle. Many who are against same-sex marriage still believe in the freedoms people should have in choosing their sexual partners.

smt88 7y ago
I never said anyone is anti-gay. I said exactly what I meant: Trump/GOP are trying to create and enforce the right of businesses to discriminate against gay people. That's not just "beliefs". It is discriminatory action. People have a right to believe what they want, but they shouldn't have the state's sanction to discriminate based on those beliefs.
- atypicality 7y ago
  Are you OK with the government infringing on the freedoms of a bakery to choose what business they accept thus forcing a baker to make a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding despite that baker's beliefs on the contrary?
  - smt88 7y ago
    Yes. You already don't have the right to choose your customers based on race, religion, or sex. Homosexuality is as unchangeable as any of those things, and it's actually possible to change religion. This is the exact same argument that was made during segregation and slavery in the US[1]. You shouldn't be allowed to be racist, sexist, or any other type of bigot just because you think a man in the sky wants you to be. 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/12/05/discriminating-in-the-name-of-religion-segregationists-and-slaveholders-did-it-too/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/...
    - atypicality 7y ago
      So you're OK with the government basically running your business. Telling you what you can or can't sell, how much to charge... slippery slope. Why don't you just allow the free market to punish those businesses who choose to do business with whomever they want. I would imagine a all-gay same-sex marriage wedding cake factory would make a fortune. It's also insulting to compare the people who made a personal decision to sleep with their same sex with people who were kidnapped, enslaved, beaten, violated and oppressed for literally centuries.

smt88 7y ago

I never said anyone is anti-gay. I said exactly what I meant: Trump/GOP are trying to create and enforce the right of businesses to discriminate against gay people. That's not just "beliefs". It is discriminatory action. People have a right to believe what they want, but they shouldn't have the state's sanction to discriminate based on those beliefs.

atypicality 7y ago
Are you OK with the government infringing on the freedoms of a bakery to choose what business they accept thus forcing a baker to make a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding despite that baker's beliefs on the contrary?
- smt88 7y ago
  Yes. You already don't have the right to choose your customers based on race, religion, or sex. Homosexuality is as unchangeable as any of those things, and it's actually possible to change religion. This is the exact same argument that was made during segregation and slavery in the US[1]. You shouldn't be allowed to be racist, sexist, or any other type of bigot just because you think a man in the sky wants you to be. 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/12/05/discriminating-in-the-name-of-religion-segregationists-and-slaveholders-did-it-too/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/...
  - atypicality 7y ago
    So you're OK with the government basically running your business. Telling you what you can or can't sell, how much to charge... slippery slope. Why don't you just allow the free market to punish those businesses who choose to do business with whomever they want. I would imagine a all-gay same-sex marriage wedding cake factory would make a fortune. It's also insulting to compare the people who made a personal decision to sleep with their same sex with people who were kidnapped, enslaved, beaten, violated and oppressed for literally centuries.