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All the investigative journalism I know about exists mostly in dirty "lefty" or "Centrist lefty" orgs like NYT, WaPo, Reuters, etc. All the "righty" or "conser

All the investigative journalism I know about exists mostly in dirty "lefty" or "Centrist lefty" orgs like NYT, WaPo, Reuters, etc. All the "righty" or "conservative" orgs i know about are mostly opinion pieces.

AnthonyMouse 7y ago
Beware filter bubbles. If you're in the Blue Tribe bubble then you'll see conservative sources, but only when they're saying something contentious if not blatantly false (and so you'll also only see the Red Tribe sources who say such things), because that's what causes fellow Blue Tribe members to bring them to your attention.
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  I openly admit im fairly left wing, But I also can not think of a single serious major investigative right-leaning news org. I'd love counter examples, This is not about filter bubbles. EDIT: on Further consideration, the Wall Street Journal and the Economist might qualify, but they typically don't seem to do expose pieces.
  - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
    Reason, Cato (especially worthwhile: https://www.cato.org/people/julian-sanchez https://www.cato.org/people/julian-sanchez), The American Conservative, they exist. Even Fox News does some actual investigative reporting, notwithstanding that most of their airtime is spent on opinion and propaganda.
    - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
      "Even Fox News does some actual investigative reporting, notwithstanding that most of their airtime is spend on opinion and propaganda." I actually read Fox News daily for a few months to try and see this, but I didn't, and eventually stopped after they autoplayed played someone getting fatally hit by a truck on their front page.
      - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        Yeah, Fox News is pretty crap in general. You're not going to find happiness on the front page. But there is this: https://www.foxnews.com/category/news-events/fox-news-investigates https://www.foxnews.com/category/news-events/fox-news-invest... Where you find things like this: https://www.foxnews.com/us/veterans-face-more-delays-on-agent-orange-relief https://www.foxnews.com/us/veterans-face-more-delays-on-agen... https://www.foxnews.com/us/jon-stewart-burn-pit-victims-psa https://www.foxnews.com/us/jon-stewart-burn-pit-victims-psa It's not sexy contentious lies, it's factual reporting about veterans and 9/11 first responders. So naturally, it doesn't get promoted by algorithms designed to push clickbait to the fore.
    - supercanuck 7y ago
      I wouldn’t consider Cato “Right
      - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        Both of the major parties are Big Tent parties. The Red Tribe institutions that look similar to major Blue Tribe institutions are going to be the ones operated by fiscal conservatives, libertarians, veterans organizations, etc. If you want news from religious conservatives, there is an organizational structure that as far as I can tell has no Blue Tribe analog -- a mostly-decentralized network of localized institutions called churches.
        supercanuck 7y ago
        Public schools
        AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        That would certainly say a lot about the nature of the fight over school vouchers.
        supercanuck 7y ago
        well if you believe in a secular education, go to school. If you believe in a religious education, go to church
        AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        That is what they do. But then they want to know why the secular schools get so much more of their tax dollars than the parochial schools they want their kids to attend.
        supercanuck 7y ago
        No they don’t. They want access to the public’s money. It would be more helpful to think of churches/parochial schools as businesses.
    - pytester 7y ago
      >Reason, Cato Reason and Cato are corporate funded think tanks pushing a corporatist agenda. If you look at CATO's front page piece right now, for instance, it's not an investigation it's an opinion piece on how hard it is to complain in the WTO inspired by their backers: https://www.cato.org/publications/free-trade-bulletin/trade-justice-delayed-trade-justice-denied https://www.cato.org/publications/free-trade-bulletin/trade-...
      - drak0n1c 7y ago
        There's massive amounts of special interest money being funneled into publications on every side of issues, local and national. That's the reality we have to live with. See Politico's latest reveal of "dark money" also going toward left-wing policy activism and media coverage [1]. That doesn't mean we should totally ignore what media and think tanks have to say, they can still produce good critiques and investigations -- whether Brookings or Cato. Even explicitly partisan muckrakers like Greenpeace or O'Keefe's Project Veritas occasionally expose a valid case of wrongdoing no one else noticed. These organizations are very selective and hyperbolic in what they focus on, due to their narrow mission and ideology and the natural limit of time/energy, but if you combine all of their varied output you can get enough slices to approximate the pie. [1] https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/19/dark-money-democrats-midterm-071725 https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/19/dark-money-democrat...
      - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        The point isn't that they never publish an opinion piece, it's that they do publish investigative reporting, like this: https://www.cato.org/blog/why-nsa-deleting-call-records https://www.cato.org/blog/why-nsa-deleting-call-records You also get pieces like this, which are full of factual information whether or not you agree with their policy position: https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/new-national-id-systems https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/new-nation... And it's hard to see which "corporatist agenda" pieces like this are pushing: https://reason.com/2019/11/21/with-this-forfeiture-trick-innocent-owners-lose-even-when-they-win/ https://reason.com/2019/11/21/with-this-forfeiture-trick-inn... Which isn't to say that they're unbiased. Everybody has an opinion. But everybody has an opinion; that's why you need more than one news source.
    - throwaway2048 7y ago
      Reason and cato are not investigative journalism, they are policy research, its not comparable.
- SolaceQuantum 7y ago
  No, I mean, what are right wing investigative journalism publishing sources? Can you point me to any?
  - tropo 7y ago
    Well, let's look at the most obvious right-wing publication. Here you go, original news reporting: https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/17/exclusive-facebook-includes-candace-owens-on-hate-agents-list/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/17/exclusive-facebook... https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/06/13/exclusive-facebooks-process-to-label-you-a-hate-agent-revealed/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/06/13/exclusive-facebook... https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-google-leaderships-dismayed-reaction-to-trump-election/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-googl... I just noticed that they even publish stuff in opposition to Trump: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/11/exclusive-text-of-latest-version-of-first-step-act-still-allows-violent-criminals-early-release/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/11/exclusive-text... Note that I found "right wing investigative journalism publishing sources" to be ambiguous, because you could mean a "publishing source" as in a place that publishes things or specifically that you want a list of references as found in academic papers or on wikipedia. If I guessed wrongly, perhaps you could clarify.

AnthonyMouse 7y ago

Beware filter bubbles. If you're in the Blue Tribe bubble then you'll see conservative sources, but only when they're saying something contentious if not blatantly false (and so you'll also only see the Red Tribe sources who say such things), because that's what causes fellow Blue Tribe members to bring them to your attention.

throwaway2048 7y ago
I openly admit im fairly left wing, But I also can not think of a single serious major investigative right-leaning news org. I'd love counter examples, This is not about filter bubbles. EDIT: on Further consideration, the Wall Street Journal and the Economist might qualify, but they typically don't seem to do expose pieces.
- AnthonyMouse 7y ago
  Reason, Cato (especially worthwhile: https://www.cato.org/people/julian-sanchez https://www.cato.org/people/julian-sanchez), The American Conservative, they exist. Even Fox News does some actual investigative reporting, notwithstanding that most of their airtime is spent on opinion and propaganda.
  - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
    "Even Fox News does some actual investigative reporting, notwithstanding that most of their airtime is spend on opinion and propaganda." I actually read Fox News daily for a few months to try and see this, but I didn't, and eventually stopped after they autoplayed played someone getting fatally hit by a truck on their front page.
    - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
      Yeah, Fox News is pretty crap in general. You're not going to find happiness on the front page. But there is this: https://www.foxnews.com/category/news-events/fox-news-investigates https://www.foxnews.com/category/news-events/fox-news-invest... Where you find things like this: https://www.foxnews.com/us/veterans-face-more-delays-on-agent-orange-relief https://www.foxnews.com/us/veterans-face-more-delays-on-agen... https://www.foxnews.com/us/jon-stewart-burn-pit-victims-psa https://www.foxnews.com/us/jon-stewart-burn-pit-victims-psa It's not sexy contentious lies, it's factual reporting about veterans and 9/11 first responders. So naturally, it doesn't get promoted by algorithms designed to push clickbait to the fore.
  - supercanuck 7y ago
    I wouldn’t consider Cato “Right
    - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
      Both of the major parties are Big Tent parties. The Red Tribe institutions that look similar to major Blue Tribe institutions are going to be the ones operated by fiscal conservatives, libertarians, veterans organizations, etc. If you want news from religious conservatives, there is an organizational structure that as far as I can tell has no Blue Tribe analog -- a mostly-decentralized network of localized institutions called churches.
      - supercanuck 7y ago
        Public schools
        AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        That would certainly say a lot about the nature of the fight over school vouchers.
        supercanuck 7y ago
        well if you believe in a secular education, go to school. If you believe in a religious education, go to church
        AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        That is what they do. But then they want to know why the secular schools get so much more of their tax dollars than the parochial schools they want their kids to attend.
        supercanuck 7y ago
        No they don’t. They want access to the public’s money. It would be more helpful to think of churches/parochial schools as businesses.
  - pytester 7y ago
    >Reason, Cato Reason and Cato are corporate funded think tanks pushing a corporatist agenda. If you look at CATO's front page piece right now, for instance, it's not an investigation it's an opinion piece on how hard it is to complain in the WTO inspired by their backers: https://www.cato.org/publications/free-trade-bulletin/trade-justice-delayed-trade-justice-denied https://www.cato.org/publications/free-trade-bulletin/trade-...
    - drak0n1c 7y ago
      There's massive amounts of special interest money being funneled into publications on every side of issues, local and national. That's the reality we have to live with. See Politico's latest reveal of "dark money" also going toward left-wing policy activism and media coverage [1]. That doesn't mean we should totally ignore what media and think tanks have to say, they can still produce good critiques and investigations -- whether Brookings or Cato. Even explicitly partisan muckrakers like Greenpeace or O'Keefe's Project Veritas occasionally expose a valid case of wrongdoing no one else noticed. These organizations are very selective and hyperbolic in what they focus on, due to their narrow mission and ideology and the natural limit of time/energy, but if you combine all of their varied output you can get enough slices to approximate the pie. [1] https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/19/dark-money-democrats-midterm-071725 https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/19/dark-money-democrat...
    - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
      The point isn't that they never publish an opinion piece, it's that they do publish investigative reporting, like this: https://www.cato.org/blog/why-nsa-deleting-call-records https://www.cato.org/blog/why-nsa-deleting-call-records You also get pieces like this, which are full of factual information whether or not you agree with their policy position: https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/new-national-id-systems https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/new-nation... And it's hard to see which "corporatist agenda" pieces like this are pushing: https://reason.com/2019/11/21/with-this-forfeiture-trick-innocent-owners-lose-even-when-they-win/ https://reason.com/2019/11/21/with-this-forfeiture-trick-inn... Which isn't to say that they're unbiased. Everybody has an opinion. But everybody has an opinion; that's why you need more than one news source.
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    Reason and cato are not investigative journalism, they are policy research, its not comparable.
SolaceQuantum 7y ago
No, I mean, what are right wing investigative journalism publishing sources? Can you point me to any?
- tropo 7y ago
  Well, let's look at the most obvious right-wing publication. Here you go, original news reporting: https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/17/exclusive-facebook-includes-candace-owens-on-hate-agents-list/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/17/exclusive-facebook... https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/06/13/exclusive-facebooks-process-to-label-you-a-hate-agent-revealed/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/06/13/exclusive-facebook... https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-google-leaderships-dismayed-reaction-to-trump-election/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-googl... I just noticed that they even publish stuff in opposition to Trump: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/11/exclusive-text-of-latest-version-of-first-step-act-still-allows-violent-criminals-early-release/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/11/exclusive-text... Note that I found "right wing investigative journalism publishing sources" to be ambiguous, because you could mean a "publishing source" as in a place that publishes things or specifically that you want a list of references as found in academic papers or on wikipedia. If I guessed wrongly, perhaps you could clarify.