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> Then it comes to the question is there is such thing as a true narrative to begin with as narratives No there isn’t. There is truth and then there is people

> Then it comes to the question is there is such thing as a true narrative to begin with as narratives No there isn’t. There is truth and then there is people too lazy to do the investigation that uncovers the truth because it takes real work, real people, time and energy and unfortunately is not profitable.

SolaceQuantum 7y ago
All the investigative journalism I know about exists mostly in dirty "lefty" or "Centrist lefty" orgs like NYT, WaPo, Reuters, etc. All the "righty" or "conservative" orgs i know about are mostly opinion pieces.
- AnthonyMouse 7y ago
  Beware filter bubbles. If you're in the Blue Tribe bubble then you'll see conservative sources, but only when they're saying something contentious if not blatantly false (and so you'll also only see the Red Tribe sources who say such things), because that's what causes fellow Blue Tribe members to bring them to your attention.
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    I openly admit im fairly left wing, But I also can not think of a single serious major investigative right-leaning news org. I'd love counter examples, This is not about filter bubbles. EDIT: on Further consideration, the Wall Street Journal and the Economist might qualify, but they typically don't seem to do expose pieces.
    - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
      Reason, Cato (especially worthwhile: https://www.cato.org/people/julian-sanchez https://www.cato.org/people/julian-sanchez), The American Conservative, they exist. Even Fox News does some actual investigative reporting, notwithstanding that most of their airtime is spent on opinion and propaganda.
      - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
        "Even Fox News does some actual investigative reporting, notwithstanding that most of their airtime is spend on opinion and propaganda." I actually read Fox News daily for a few months to try and see this, but I didn't, and eventually stopped after they autoplayed played someone getting fatally hit by a truck on their front page.
        AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        Yeah, Fox News is pretty crap in general. You're not going to find happiness on the front page. But there is this: https://www.foxnews.com/category/news-events/fox-news-investigates https://www.foxnews.com/category/news-events/fox-news-invest... Where you find things like this: https://www.foxnews.com/us/veterans-face-more-delays-on-agent-orange-relief https://www.foxnews.com/us/veterans-face-more-delays-on-agen... https://www.foxnews.com/us/jon-stewart-burn-pit-victims-psa https://www.foxnews.com/us/jon-stewart-burn-pit-victims-psa It's not sexy contentious lies, it's factual reporting about veterans and 9/11 first responders. So naturally, it doesn't get promoted by algorithms designed to push clickbait to the fore.
      - supercanuck 7y ago
        I wouldn’t consider Cato “Right
        AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        Both of the major parties are Big Tent parties. The Red Tribe institutions that look similar to major Blue Tribe institutions are going to be the ones operated by fiscal conservatives, libertarians, veterans organizations, etc. If you want news from religious conservatives, there is an organizational structure that as far as I can tell has no Blue Tribe analog -- a mostly-decentralized network of localized institutions called churches.
        supercanuck 7y ago
        Public schools
  - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
    No, I mean, what are right wing investigative journalism publishing sources? Can you point me to any?
    - tropo 7y ago
      Well, let's look at the most obvious right-wing publication. Here you go, original news reporting: https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/17/exclusive-facebook-includes-candace-owens-on-hate-agents-list/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/17/exclusive-facebook... https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/06/13/exclusive-facebooks-process-to-label-you-a-hate-agent-revealed/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/06/13/exclusive-facebook... https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-google-leaderships-dismayed-reaction-to-trump-election/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-googl... I just noticed that they even publish stuff in opposition to Trump: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/11/exclusive-text-of-latest-version-of-first-step-act-still-allows-violent-criminals-early-release/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/11/exclusive-text... Note that I found "right wing investigative journalism publishing sources" to be ambiguous, because you could mean a "publishing source" as in a place that publishes things or specifically that you want a list of references as found in academic papers or on wikipedia. If I guessed wrongly, perhaps you could clarify.
pixl97 7y ago
There is only thermodynamic truth, but it rapidly decays with entropy. Most things people assume are less true than they believe

SolaceQuantum 7y ago

All the investigative journalism I know about exists mostly in dirty "lefty" or "Centrist lefty" orgs like NYT, WaPo, Reuters, etc. All the "righty" or "conservative" orgs i know about are mostly opinion pieces.

AnthonyMouse 7y ago
Beware filter bubbles. If you're in the Blue Tribe bubble then you'll see conservative sources, but only when they're saying something contentious if not blatantly false (and so you'll also only see the Red Tribe sources who say such things), because that's what causes fellow Blue Tribe members to bring them to your attention.
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  I openly admit im fairly left wing, But I also can not think of a single serious major investigative right-leaning news org. I'd love counter examples, This is not about filter bubbles. EDIT: on Further consideration, the Wall Street Journal and the Economist might qualify, but they typically don't seem to do expose pieces.
  - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
    Reason, Cato (especially worthwhile: https://www.cato.org/people/julian-sanchez https://www.cato.org/people/julian-sanchez), The American Conservative, they exist. Even Fox News does some actual investigative reporting, notwithstanding that most of their airtime is spent on opinion and propaganda.
    - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
      "Even Fox News does some actual investigative reporting, notwithstanding that most of their airtime is spend on opinion and propaganda." I actually read Fox News daily for a few months to try and see this, but I didn't, and eventually stopped after they autoplayed played someone getting fatally hit by a truck on their front page.
      - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        Yeah, Fox News is pretty crap in general. You're not going to find happiness on the front page. But there is this: https://www.foxnews.com/category/news-events/fox-news-investigates https://www.foxnews.com/category/news-events/fox-news-invest... Where you find things like this: https://www.foxnews.com/us/veterans-face-more-delays-on-agent-orange-relief https://www.foxnews.com/us/veterans-face-more-delays-on-agen... https://www.foxnews.com/us/jon-stewart-burn-pit-victims-psa https://www.foxnews.com/us/jon-stewart-burn-pit-victims-psa It's not sexy contentious lies, it's factual reporting about veterans and 9/11 first responders. So naturally, it doesn't get promoted by algorithms designed to push clickbait to the fore.
    - supercanuck 7y ago
      I wouldn’t consider Cato “Right
      - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
        Both of the major parties are Big Tent parties. The Red Tribe institutions that look similar to major Blue Tribe institutions are going to be the ones operated by fiscal conservatives, libertarians, veterans organizations, etc. If you want news from religious conservatives, there is an organizational structure that as far as I can tell has no Blue Tribe analog -- a mostly-decentralized network of localized institutions called churches.
        supercanuck 7y ago
        Public schools
- SolaceQuantum 7y ago
  No, I mean, what are right wing investigative journalism publishing sources? Can you point me to any?
  - tropo 7y ago
    Well, let's look at the most obvious right-wing publication. Here you go, original news reporting: https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/17/exclusive-facebook-includes-candace-owens-on-hate-agents-list/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/17/exclusive-facebook... https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/06/13/exclusive-facebooks-process-to-label-you-a-hate-agent-revealed/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/06/13/exclusive-facebook... https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-google-leaderships-dismayed-reaction-to-trump-election/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-googl... I just noticed that they even publish stuff in opposition to Trump: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/11/exclusive-text-of-latest-version-of-first-step-act-still-allows-violent-criminals-early-release/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/11/exclusive-text... Note that I found "right wing investigative journalism publishing sources" to be ambiguous, because you could mean a "publishing source" as in a place that publishes things or specifically that you want a list of references as found in academic papers or on wikipedia. If I guessed wrongly, perhaps you could clarify.

pixl97 7y ago

There is only thermodynamic truth, but it rapidly decays with entropy. Most things people assume are less true than they believe