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I somewhat relate to your view as a non-white POC. However, I don't think > they'll eventually lose the power they had. would do much to change the situation.

by pm90 7y ago

I somewhat relate to your view as a non-white POC. However, I don't think > they'll eventually lose the power they had. would do much to change the situation. Georgia, Virginia and Texas are states that are being fundamentally changed because of the influx of progressives from both rural areas and urban coasts. The fastest way to change seems to be to move to these places and use the democratic process to introduce real changes, and these folks will have no choice but to change their views or retreat to more rural areas of their states (usually its the latter). The other aspect is that a lot of the southern states do actually have sizeable populations of African Americans...I really do hope that we don't just ignore them as successive generations seem to have done....

theflyinghorse 7y ago
> Georgia, Virginia and Texas are states that are being fundamentally changed because of the influx of progressives from both rural areas and urban coasts. Why are progressives moving en mass so much that that are able to replace the local population and fundamentally alter voting patterns? What is happening to drive people out like that? I'm not an American for the record and likely am missing parts of the context here.
- fetus8 7y ago
  High cost of living in urban centers.
- bobthepanda 7y ago
  Internal migration to the south and west of the US has always been strong due to generally cheaper housing and strong jobs growth (though wages are lower to match.) The advent of mass air conditioning made the climates much more bearable to live in, fueling economic expansion. Otherwise it’d be too hot and humid.
- foogazi 7y ago
  They don’t have to replace everyone, just tip the scales enough
- tropo 7y ago
  They made their own states too expensive, by choice, and then couldn't live with the result. They are moving to affordable places that vote against taxes, regulations, and government services. Oddly they continue to vote for the policy that caused them to migrate, and so eventually they must migrate again.
BoorishBears 7y ago
If no one progressive lives in these states, there's no foothold for change, I agree with that. But it's like a see-saw, injecting wealth while the ride is still tipped so strongly towards these backwards communities is counter-productive. It's adding more weight (money) to the other side than it is to the side of progressives and African-Americans already living there. Especially when you consider even in these "progressive" oases, it's not uncommon for gentrification to disproportionately affect African Americans, and even end up destabilizing otherwise functional communities of black people. I want to see us set up the progressives who live in those states for success with federal actions like fighting gerrymandering and national political movements before pouring money into those states. The old guard losing power as wealth left their states has very much been a large part of why places like Virginia have been able to transform. You need the backwards incumbents to be weakened enough not to take your wealth generation and turn it back on the group you're trying to uplift.

by pm90 7y ago

theflyinghorse 7y ago

> Georgia, Virginia and Texas are states that are being fundamentally changed because of the influx of progressives from both rural areas and urban coasts. Why are progressives moving en mass so much that that are able to replace the local population and fundamentally alter voting patterns? What is happening to drive people out like that? I'm not an American for the record and likely am missing parts of the context here.

fetus8 7y ago
High cost of living in urban centers.
bobthepanda 7y ago
Internal migration to the south and west of the US has always been strong due to generally cheaper housing and strong jobs growth (though wages are lower to match.) The advent of mass air conditioning made the climates much more bearable to live in, fueling economic expansion. Otherwise it’d be too hot and humid.
foogazi 7y ago
They don’t have to replace everyone, just tip the scales enough
tropo 7y ago
They made their own states too expensive, by choice, and then couldn't live with the result. They are moving to affordable places that vote against taxes, regulations, and government services. Oddly they continue to vote for the policy that caused them to migrate, and so eventually they must migrate again.

BoorishBears 7y ago

If no one progressive lives in these states, there's no foothold for change, I agree with that. But it's like a see-saw, injecting wealth while the ride is still tipped so strongly towards these backwards communities is counter-productive. It's adding more weight (money) to the other side than it is to the side of progressives and African-Americans already living there. Especially when you consider even in these "progressive" oases, it's not uncommon for gentrification to disproportionately affect African Americans, and even end up destabilizing otherwise functional communities of black people. I want to see us set up the progressives who live in those states for success with federal actions like fighting gerrymandering and national political movements before pouring money into those states. The old guard losing power as wealth left their states has very much been a large part of why places like Virginia have been able to transform. You need the backwards incumbents to be weakened enough not to take your wealth generation and turn it back on the group you're trying to uplift.