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This blog appears to argue that by bringing some but not all of it's products to Linux, Microsoft is engaging in Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (EEE). That's a tou

This blog appears to argue that by bringing some but not all of it's products to Linux, Microsoft is engaging in Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (EEE). That's a tough sell. If you apply the same standard, virtually ever large company that has ever contributed to Linux is EEE-ing Linux because they released some product that doesn't run on vanilla Linux. The bad action in EEE is extending APIs in incompatible ways and then dead ending them - it's hard for me to see how not shipping Office to Linux qualifies.

simion314 7y ago
I think the author refers at the fact you release just a bit of functionality for Linux but if you want the full stack you have to use Windows. Like you make .Net for Linux but only some parts, release other tools but not the admin part etc. I would be convinced when MS and Wine project has an agreement so the Wine devs can access the Windows source code.
- will4274 7y ago
  > I would be convinced when MS and Wine project has an agreement so the Wine devs can access the Windows source code. This is exactly what I'm saying is absurd. Microsoft isn't EEE-ing by not giving Wine devs access to Windows source. There is a difference between not helping and actively sabotaging. Conflating the two is an unfair attack.
  - simion314 7y ago
    The part about Wine is not related, it was about what would convince me that Microsoft "loves" Linux or at least is not intimidated by it. The WSL seems to me as the first part of the EEE and the competition would be fair if Linux could have it's own project Wine supported by Microsoft, as it is now it feels as an exploit, MS can do WSL but Linux and Mac have to struggle with Wine and the FUD around it.
    - zamalek 7y ago
      > Linux and Mac have to struggle with Wine and the FUD around it. What FUD? I don't think I've ever seen someone spread FUD about Wine. Are you referring to the website that lists how well games/apps work with it?
      - simion314 7y ago
        The accusation that Wine devs were looking at the Windows code and it is "illegal" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20341022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20341022
        will4274 7y ago
        This post is about ReactOS, not Wine.
  - jejones3141 7y ago
    They are different attacks. They're not EEE-ing by not giving Wine devs access; they're maintaining the applications barrier to entry.

simion314 7y ago

I think the author refers at the fact you release just a bit of functionality for Linux but if you want the full stack you have to use Windows. Like you make .Net for Linux but only some parts, release other tools but not the admin part etc. I would be convinced when MS and Wine project has an agreement so the Wine devs can access the Windows source code.

will4274 7y ago
> I would be convinced when MS and Wine project has an agreement so the Wine devs can access the Windows source code. This is exactly what I'm saying is absurd. Microsoft isn't EEE-ing by not giving Wine devs access to Windows source. There is a difference between not helping and actively sabotaging. Conflating the two is an unfair attack.
- simion314 7y ago
  The part about Wine is not related, it was about what would convince me that Microsoft "loves" Linux or at least is not intimidated by it. The WSL seems to me as the first part of the EEE and the competition would be fair if Linux could have it's own project Wine supported by Microsoft, as it is now it feels as an exploit, MS can do WSL but Linux and Mac have to struggle with Wine and the FUD around it.
  - zamalek 7y ago
    > Linux and Mac have to struggle with Wine and the FUD around it. What FUD? I don't think I've ever seen someone spread FUD about Wine. Are you referring to the website that lists how well games/apps work with it?
    - simion314 7y ago
      The accusation that Wine devs were looking at the Windows code and it is "illegal" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20341022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20341022
      - will4274 7y ago
        This post is about ReactOS, not Wine.
- jejones3141 7y ago
  They are different attacks. They're not EEE-ing by not giving Wine devs access; they're maintaining the applications barrier to entry.