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Alternative title: Climate Goals a Threat to China Expansion (also to India and other countries) And I find this troubling. On what moral authority the west t

by 1996 7y ago

Alternative title: Climate Goals a Threat to China Expansion (also to India and other countries) And I find this troubling. On what moral authority the west think it is ok to kick the ladder?

azinman2 7y ago
Because it’s all a threat to the survival of the planet.
VWWHFSfQ 7y ago
Because western nations already had their industrial booms and now see how incredibly damaging it was to the planet. Sure it's easy for them to criticize because they already reaped the benefits. But that doesn't mean they should have to stand by watching even more destructive industrial expansion continue.
- sachdevap 7y ago
  They are not standing by and watching. They are involved in the tragedy. Western nations are dismantling nuclear power on a massive scale. They are blocking the growth of renewables industries in developing nations [0] under the guise of free trade instead of promoting renewables usage in those countries. US has backed off the Paris climate accord saying they should not be subsidizing solar in these countries. They are showing anything but leadership after having damaged the planet for their own benefit all these years. Climate change is a problem, and we have to deal with it, but the west blaming India and China when the US has the largest emission per capita by a mile and more is not going to get us anywhere. [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-india-wto/india-wins-us-solar-case-at-wto-but-impact-disputed-idUSKCN1TS2B0 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-india-wto/india...
- iforgotpassword 7y ago
  No they shouldn't just stand by. The current development and projection is very worrisome regarding the environment on a global scale. What I think is often missing though is considering how we are contributing to the co2 output of those developing countries. A big share of their power demands is through production of goods for pretty much the rest of the world. It really grinds my gears how so many people suggest we can completely ignore that we are creating that demand in the first place, exploiting cheap production costs in China, which is in part because regulations regarding pollution are so lax over there, while at the same time patting ourselves on the back for reducing co2 output here, when you really just move more and more production to other counties. And I don't have a good idea how to fix this either. Clearly, consumers don't care enough to vote with their money, or pressure local politicians. But turning a blind eye on our contribution entirely and conveniently pointing out how China is so horrible and we're so great isn't going to fix anything either.
tzs 7y ago
> And I find this troubling. On what moral authority the west think it is ok to kick the ladder? Most of the West doesn't think it is OK to kick the ladder. That's why the Paris agreement included the developed countries providing a lot of aid to countries like India to help them meet climate goals without having to give up on development.

by 1996 7y ago

Alternative title: Climate Goals a Threat to China Expansion (also to India and other countries) And I find this troubling. On what moral authority the west think it is ok to kick the ladder?

azinman2 7y ago

Because it’s all a threat to the survival of the planet.

VWWHFSfQ 7y ago

Because western nations already had their industrial booms and now see how incredibly damaging it was to the planet. Sure it's easy for them to criticize because they already reaped the benefits. But that doesn't mean they should have to stand by watching even more destructive industrial expansion continue.

sachdevap 7y ago
They are not standing by and watching. They are involved in the tragedy. Western nations are dismantling nuclear power on a massive scale. They are blocking the growth of renewables industries in developing nations [0] under the guise of free trade instead of promoting renewables usage in those countries. US has backed off the Paris climate accord saying they should not be subsidizing solar in these countries. They are showing anything but leadership after having damaged the planet for their own benefit all these years. Climate change is a problem, and we have to deal with it, but the west blaming India and China when the US has the largest emission per capita by a mile and more is not going to get us anywhere. [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-india-wto/india-wins-us-solar-case-at-wto-but-impact-disputed-idUSKCN1TS2B0 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-india-wto/india...
iforgotpassword 7y ago
No they shouldn't just stand by. The current development and projection is very worrisome regarding the environment on a global scale. What I think is often missing though is considering how we are contributing to the co2 output of those developing countries. A big share of their power demands is through production of goods for pretty much the rest of the world. It really grinds my gears how so many people suggest we can completely ignore that we are creating that demand in the first place, exploiting cheap production costs in China, which is in part because regulations regarding pollution are so lax over there, while at the same time patting ourselves on the back for reducing co2 output here, when you really just move more and more production to other counties. And I don't have a good idea how to fix this either. Clearly, consumers don't care enough to vote with their money, or pressure local politicians. But turning a blind eye on our contribution entirely and conveniently pointing out how China is so horrible and we're so great isn't going to fix anything either.

tzs 7y ago

> And I find this troubling. On what moral authority the west think it is ok to kick the ladder? Most of the West doesn't think it is OK to kick the ladder. That's why the Paris agreement included the developed countries providing a lot of aid to countries like India to help them meet climate goals without having to give up on development.