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You can smugly enjoy the freedom to watch ecosystems disappear, or you can be constructive about the changes needed. If the people on the right don’t like the

by Joeri 7y ago

You can smugly enjoy the freedom to watch ecosystems disappear, or you can be constructive about the changes needed. If the people on the right don’t like the remedies of the left, let them come up with an alternative climate change strategy that is not some form of head-in-sand policy.

throwawaylolx 7y ago
People already came up with a solution: fast breeder nuclear reactors. Western activists are just not interested in considering the solution.
- Tade0 7y ago
  Those are few and far between, so unlikely to reach full scale deployment in time.
- _Microft 7y ago
  This ship has sailed, deal with it. No matter how useful it might have been, we won't get nuclear back and especially not back in time. Maybe we can at least make it disappear later in some places than in others. France seem to be well-positioned to stick to nuclear for a while for example.
  - onepointsixC 7y ago
    And what possible technology could completely de-carbonize the electric grid in time? Because last I check there are no scalable battery solutions which could feasibly be ramped up in ten years time.
    - _Microft 7y ago
      I don't think complete de-carbonization of the electric grid is possible in this timeframe, we will need to achieve the results but with smaller savings across all industries.
Miner49er 7y ago
OP's proposal is one of the right's solutions to climate change. They just described a form of ecofascism.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  Why do you say it's one of the right's solutions? Seems like this is the logical conclusion of some of the directions proposed by the left.
tomjen3 7y ago
Nuclear power and building dikes. But like all solutions it should have been 20-30 years ago.
mistermann 7y ago
> If the people on the right don’t like the remedies of the left, let them come up with an alternative climate change strategy that is not some form of head-in-sand policy. Ironically, this sentence itself seems smug and non-constructive. > Ironically, this sentence itself seems smug and non-constructive. As does that one. So, I will add more clarification. I propose that we here on HN (if not us, then who?) try to consider the idea that the problem with resolving the climate change issue is not primarily a technical one, but more of a political, societal, psychological, and spiritual one. Scientists and industrialists are already well-equipped with the knowledge and technology to solve the problem on a physical level. That piece of this complex puzzle is solved, at least well enough. It is now up to the rest of us to create the environment in which we can get our asses moving and deploy the necessary changes to production. So, what shall we do about it? Might it be useful to treat this project like any other, and if there are hangups in getting things done, turn to traditional project management solutions? We need to get buy in from the key players, and this is where things are a bit non-traditional, because the key players are far more diverse, complex, and inconsistent than in traditional projects. So, might it be pragmatic to accept this reality, analyze this situation, and start coming up with new ideas (that take into consideration the unusual and unfortunate complexities) to overcome this blockage? It seems to me, the approach we are currently taking isn't working very well, and the clock is ticking.

by Joeri 7y ago

throwawaylolx 7y ago

People already came up with a solution: fast breeder nuclear reactors. Western activists are just not interested in considering the solution.

Tade0 7y ago
Those are few and far between, so unlikely to reach full scale deployment in time.
_Microft 7y ago
This ship has sailed, deal with it. No matter how useful it might have been, we won't get nuclear back and especially not back in time. Maybe we can at least make it disappear later in some places than in others. France seem to be well-positioned to stick to nuclear for a while for example.
- onepointsixC 7y ago
  And what possible technology could completely de-carbonize the electric grid in time? Because last I check there are no scalable battery solutions which could feasibly be ramped up in ten years time.
  - _Microft 7y ago
    I don't think complete de-carbonization of the electric grid is possible in this timeframe, we will need to achieve the results but with smaller savings across all industries.

Miner49er 7y ago

OP's proposal is one of the right's solutions to climate change. They just described a form of ecofascism.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago
Why do you say it's one of the right's solutions? Seems like this is the logical conclusion of some of the directions proposed by the left.

tomjen3 7y ago

Nuclear power and building dikes. But like all solutions it should have been 20-30 years ago.

mistermann 7y ago

> If the people on the right don’t like the remedies of the left, let them come up with an alternative climate change strategy that is not some form of head-in-sand policy. Ironically, this sentence itself seems smug and non-constructive. > Ironically, this sentence itself seems smug and non-constructive. As does that one. So, I will add more clarification. I propose that we here on HN (if not us, then who?) try to consider the idea that the problem with resolving the climate change issue is not primarily a technical one, but more of a political, societal, psychological, and spiritual one. Scientists and industrialists are already well-equipped with the knowledge and technology to solve the problem on a physical level. That piece of this complex puzzle is solved, at least well enough. It is now up to the rest of us to create the environment in which we can get our asses moving and deploy the necessary changes to production. So, what shall we do about it? Might it be useful to treat this project like any other, and if there are hangups in getting things done, turn to traditional project management solutions? We need to get buy in from the key players, and this is where things are a bit non-traditional, because the key players are far more diverse, complex, and inconsistent than in traditional projects. So, might it be pragmatic to accept this reality, analyze this situation, and start coming up with new ideas (that take into consideration the unusual and unfortunate complexities) to overcome this blockage? It seems to me, the approach we are currently taking isn't working very well, and the clock is ticking.