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Pronouncing the sound is one thing, spelling it is another. Here's a (probably non-exhaustive) list of 65 different variants. The article in Swedish, but it sh

Pronouncing the sound is one thing, spelling it is another. Here's a (probably non-exhaustive) list of 65 different variants. The article in Swedish, but it should be possible to understand the list: https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=411&artikel=3963073 https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=411&art... Edit: I don't know of any rules for when to use which spelling. When I was a kid, I just learned how the different words were spelled individually, even though the sound is the same. Same thing when I'm teaching my kids: "Sju (seven) is spelled like this, schack (chess) is spelled like this, charmig (charming) is spelled like this", and so on.

boomlinde 7y ago
IMO the list confuses a number of different dialectical oddities and makes it seem more of a labyrinth than it really is. It makes some rather sveamål-centric assumptions, even then for some subset of sveamål, which is rather notorious for joining long stretches of consonants ending with an "sj" phoneme into just "sj". For example any of the variants that start in "r" only happen in dialects where the "r" is barely pronounced. In most of Sweden, it is distinct; guttural or rolling. Others only occur when consonants that are distinct in other dialects are dropped, and definitely not only the ones marked as "sloppy pronunciation". Others occur only when crossing words in compound words with distinct "sj" sounds (again, in some dialects), where pronouncing them as a single phoneme again may happen in some sveamål. Some of them seem really forced.
- henrikschroder 7y ago
  Yeah, the list has examples where someone in some dialect might pronounce a word with the sound. I would say that a word like "duschschampo" has two different sounds for me. I'm from Stockholm so I would do the "schsch" part like /ʃ ɧ/, I have a friend from Kalmar who would say it like /ɧ ɧ/, and probably, somewhere, someone would merge them into a single /ɧ/, but I have no idea where you'd find that person.

boomlinde 7y ago

IMO the list confuses a number of different dialectical oddities and makes it seem more of a labyrinth than it really is. It makes some rather sveamål-centric assumptions, even then for some subset of sveamål, which is rather notorious for joining long stretches of consonants ending with an "sj" phoneme into just "sj". For example any of the variants that start in "r" only happen in dialects where the "r" is barely pronounced. In most of Sweden, it is distinct; guttural or rolling. Others only occur when consonants that are distinct in other dialects are dropped, and definitely not only the ones marked as "sloppy pronunciation". Others occur only when crossing words in compound words with distinct "sj" sounds (again, in some dialects), where pronouncing them as a single phoneme again may happen in some sveamål. Some of them seem really forced.

henrikschroder 7y ago
Yeah, the list has examples where someone in some dialect might pronounce a word with the sound. I would say that a word like "duschschampo" has two different sounds for me. I'm from Stockholm so I would do the "schsch" part like /ʃ ɧ/, I have a friend from Kalmar who would say it like /ɧ ɧ/, and probably, somewhere, someone would merge them into a single /ɧ/, but I have no idea where you'd find that person.