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> Can't disagree with this enough. I'm not sure if you're actually disagreeing with me. My point is once some future neural network starts to grasp continuity

by amayne 7y ago

> Can't disagree with this enough. I'm not sure if you're actually disagreeing with me. My point is once some future neural network starts to grasp continuity and context (something GPT-2 does not do) I think writing won't be safe from AI. I couldn't speculate when that would be, but I've seen some unpublished efforts that make me think it's sooner than many people might think. But between here and there will be the opportunity for AI-assistive writing that could facilitate what my developmental editors and beta-readers do.

Hoasi 7y ago
> My point is once some future neural network starts to grasp continuity and context (something GPT-2 does not do) I think writing won't be safe from AI. If this is so, writers will more likely become editors. In the same way, visuals artists might become curators. As an optimist, I am still pondering how this could be a good thing.
notahacker 7y ago
I don't think it's at all guaranteed that future neural networks will grab continuity and context [in a meaningful sense, as opposed to basics like the character and place names being consistent and the context continuing to involve a murder and detectives] still less actually plot well. More importantly, for actual publishable writing as opposed to spam content AI has to do more than just start to grasp continuity and context, because every unpublishable human writer reaches that level, and most of them understand the much higher level of narrative arcs, characterisation and twists too. I don't think the cost of cash advances for no-name writers or lack of half decent unsolicited submissions to choose from is a big problem for publishers, is it? Surely 'time to fix not-irredeemably-flawed texts up enough to make them marketable' is in shorter supply... Agreed that AI-assistive writing is pretty close to the point where it can save you the hassle of thinking up interesting ways of describing minor characters and locations, but of course when it reaches that level there are massive areas of content creation for AI companies which are more lucrative than novel writing and don't require further technological advances...
- amayne 7y ago
  Assuming a long enough timeline, I can’t see why they wouldn’t. But that’s just a subjective guess on my part. I think AI content creation will affect everything. Publishing will only be tiny part of that...but a significant part if that’s your industry.

by amayne 7y ago

Hoasi 7y ago

> My point is once some future neural network starts to grasp continuity and context (something GPT-2 does not do) I think writing won't be safe from AI. If this is so, writers will more likely become editors. In the same way, visuals artists might become curators. As an optimist, I am still pondering how this could be a good thing.

notahacker 7y ago

I don't think it's at all guaranteed that future neural networks will grab continuity and context [in a meaningful sense, as opposed to basics like the character and place names being consistent and the context continuing to involve a murder and detectives] still less actually plot well. More importantly, for actual publishable writing as opposed to spam content AI has to do more than just start to grasp continuity and context, because every unpublishable human writer reaches that level, and most of them understand the much higher level of narrative arcs, characterisation and twists too. I don't think the cost of cash advances for no-name writers or lack of half decent unsolicited submissions to choose from is a big problem for publishers, is it? Surely 'time to fix not-irredeemably-flawed texts up enough to make them marketable' is in shorter supply... Agreed that AI-assistive writing is pretty close to the point where it can save you the hassle of thinking up interesting ways of describing minor characters and locations, but of course when it reaches that level there are massive areas of content creation for AI companies which are more lucrative than novel writing and don't require further technological advances...

amayne 7y ago
Assuming a long enough timeline, I can’t see why they wouldn’t. But that’s just a subjective guess on my part. I think AI content creation will affect everything. Publishing will only be tiny part of that...but a significant part if that’s your industry.