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Treated like a vowel now?

• henrikschroder 7y ago
  Other way around then? Is a consonant, but a defacto vowel? Whatever, English is weird.
  • OJFord 7y ago
    Why do you say it's a de facto vowel? It isn't used like a vowel. There's no word 'XwY' for any string of letters X,Y - and you can't prounounce 'xwy' (for any single letters x,y) without adding vowel sound.
    • checkyoursudo 7y ago
      I suspect in the sense that 'w' acts like a long vowel or a diphthong in many cases in English when it is used in the middle or at the of a word. E.g., (spelling vs pronunciation) 'town' vs 'toun', 'own' vs 'oan', 'bow' vs 'bo' or 'bau', etc. It definitely seems like the most vowel-like consonant after 'y'.
      • OJFord 7y ago
        'Semi-vowel' seems to be the word, for 'y' too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semivowel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semivowel
    • henrikschroder 7y ago
      > There's no word 'XwY' for any string of letters X,Y Awe, ewe, owe, awl, owl, own, two... But my point was that in all other European languages, the letter 'W' is clearly a consonant, usually realized as [v] or [ʋ], and seen as a variant of 'V'. English is the odd one out, English sees it as a variant of 'U', and it's not clearly a consonant, it's a semi-vowel as you pointed out further down.
      • OJFord 7y ago
        Right, I meant consonants, not 'any letter'. (You could do examples like that for any consonant in place of 'w'.)