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I'm sorry for your loss. Teams is truly a horrible experience. "It's like SharePoint for chat" said no happy person ever.

tapland 7y ago
We're getting teams which I'm a bit excited for since it is going to be a company wide replacement for Lync/Skype for business and no developer here has ever used Slack, IRC or anything like this.
- black_puppydog 7y ago
  gosh I hope they pay you well...
  - tapland 7y ago
    It's COBOL, but my first software development job. It's a good pay for a novice-dev in Sweden ($44k/yr and our currency has dropped by 1/3 compared to the USD). I like the language and environments, and it's fine that almost all developers are close to retirement, they are great libraries of knowledge after having worked in the system for 20+ years. It's mostly the legacy ways of working around here that are an annoyance, communication by email and having to wait for order- and project numbers before starting any development, instead of being allowed to develop improvements that can just be implemented when/if they get the ok. The wait time does allow me to create some automated tests of which we had absolutely none, that other young developers here also benefit from. I'm gaining knowledge and the system seems to be getting replaced in not that long, at which point my fiancée wants to move back home to the states, but health insurance woes has kept me from looking into that.
- OJFord 7y ago
  Sorry to end your excitement, but it's basically identical to Skype for Business. As I understand it MS has been covering the two (in both features and design) so that at some point one or other will be deprecated, but that in practice all that means is a name change for those users.
  - tapland 7y ago
    Not really. Group chats in Skype don't happen, messages are stowed away in outlook under past conversation history and everything you send on Skype for business is a new conversation @tagging the recipient (singular in almost all cases). And everything to be brought up with multiple people thus ends up being an email chain after the Skype convo.
namdnay 7y ago
Hahaha we migrated from Sametime, so it's honestly not too bad

tapland 7y ago

We're getting teams which I'm a bit excited for since it is going to be a company wide replacement for Lync/Skype for business and no developer here has ever used Slack, IRC or anything like this.

black_puppydog 7y ago
gosh I hope they pay you well...
- tapland 7y ago
  It's COBOL, but my first software development job. It's a good pay for a novice-dev in Sweden ($44k/yr and our currency has dropped by 1/3 compared to the USD). I like the language and environments, and it's fine that almost all developers are close to retirement, they are great libraries of knowledge after having worked in the system for 20+ years. It's mostly the legacy ways of working around here that are an annoyance, communication by email and having to wait for order- and project numbers before starting any development, instead of being allowed to develop improvements that can just be implemented when/if they get the ok. The wait time does allow me to create some automated tests of which we had absolutely none, that other young developers here also benefit from. I'm gaining knowledge and the system seems to be getting replaced in not that long, at which point my fiancée wants to move back home to the states, but health insurance woes has kept me from looking into that.
OJFord 7y ago
Sorry to end your excitement, but it's basically identical to Skype for Business. As I understand it MS has been covering the two (in both features and design) so that at some point one or other will be deprecated, but that in practice all that means is a name change for those users.
- tapland 7y ago
  Not really. Group chats in Skype don't happen, messages are stowed away in outlook under past conversation history and everything you send on Skype for business is a new conversation @tagging the recipient (singular in almost all cases). And everything to be brought up with multiple people thus ends up being an email chain after the Skype convo.

namdnay 7y ago

Hahaha we migrated from Sametime, so it's honestly not too bad