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What exactly qualifies as a web technology? Isn't anything on an IP address a web technology?

by abhishekjha 7y ago

shantly 7y ago
Only if it’s also using the Web.
- chrisweekly 7y ago
  Disagree. Electron apps are built w/ web tech regardless of how they're distributed or connected at runtime.
  - shantly 7y ago
    The assertion was that IP address = Web.
TorbjornLunde 7y ago
Web != internet. HTTP, HTML, CSS, JavaScript, etc are web technologies. TCP/IP (among other things) are internet technologies. Web tech builds upon internet tech.
- seangrogg 7y ago
  Semantics, but JavaScript itself is not a "web technology" - despite being conceived for the purpose of web scripting the original publication for version 1 even calls out that the language can be used on a variety of host environments (not limited to browsers). This can largely be seen in host environments like Node.js where it acts like any other similar language.
  - jolmg 7y ago
    By that logic, CSS is not a web technology because it can also be used in GUI toolkits like GTK[1]. HTML is used in ePUB files[2], so I guess it's not a web technology either... Would protocols that use HTTP for transport like gRPC[3] mean that HTTP is not a web technology either? I don't know what is a web technology anymore... [1] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.html https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.ht... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRPC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRPC
- Thorentis 7y ago
  Yeah, in my OP I was meaning the WWW specifically, so the things developed for use with the WWW (HTML, CSS, HTTP, etc.) Networking (TCP/IP, UDP, etc.) are not WWW specific. Now having said that, sure I've seen some defence projects that make use of HTTP or have internal "web"sites for managing interfaces. It's even a trend for embedded hardware to have web management interfaces (your internet router/modem is a great example). But when I say "web", of course I was really meaning user-facing/world facing websites. That seems to be the implication behind "front end developer". Not "I make front ends for building automation systems" but "I make front ends for websites hosted on the WWW". Requires a slightly different set of knowledge imo. One is tailored for looks and UX, the other is a trade-off between minimalism, efficiency, and usability (if only this was applied more to the major sites you see on the WWW now!).
jolmg 7y ago
IMAP, SMTP, FTP, NFS, IRC, and lots of other networking protocols use IP addresses but aren't web technologies.

What exactly qualifies as a web technology? Isn't anything on an IP address a web technology?

shantly 7y ago

Only if it’s also using the Web.

chrisweekly 7y ago
Disagree. Electron apps are built w/ web tech regardless of how they're distributed or connected at runtime.
- shantly 7y ago
  The assertion was that IP address = Web.

TorbjornLunde 7y ago

Web != internet. HTTP, HTML, CSS, JavaScript, etc are web technologies. TCP/IP (among other things) are internet technologies. Web tech builds upon internet tech.

seangrogg 7y ago
Semantics, but JavaScript itself is not a "web technology" - despite being conceived for the purpose of web scripting the original publication for version 1 even calls out that the language can be used on a variety of host environments (not limited to browsers). This can largely be seen in host environments like Node.js where it acts like any other similar language.
- jolmg 7y ago
  By that logic, CSS is not a web technology because it can also be used in GUI toolkits like GTK[1]. HTML is used in ePUB files[2], so I guess it's not a web technology either... Would protocols that use HTTP for transport like gRPC[3] mean that HTTP is not a web technology either? I don't know what is a web technology anymore... [1] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.html https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.ht... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRPC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRPC
Thorentis 7y ago
Yeah, in my OP I was meaning the WWW specifically, so the things developed for use with the WWW (HTML, CSS, HTTP, etc.) Networking (TCP/IP, UDP, etc.) are not WWW specific. Now having said that, sure I've seen some defence projects that make use of HTTP or have internal "web"sites for managing interfaces. It's even a trend for embedded hardware to have web management interfaces (your internet router/modem is a great example). But when I say "web", of course I was really meaning user-facing/world facing websites. That seems to be the implication behind "front end developer". Not "I make front ends for building automation systems" but "I make front ends for websites hosted on the WWW". Requires a slightly different set of knowledge imo. One is tailored for looks and UX, the other is a trade-off between minimalism, efficiency, and usability (if only this was applied more to the major sites you see on the WWW now!).

jolmg 7y ago

IMAP, SMTP, FTP, NFS, IRC, and lots of other networking protocols use IP addresses but aren't web technologies.