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>Someone else is doing this. In fact, almost everyone else is doing this - insulating themselves into silos with people that agree with them, where they can mut

>Someone else is doing this. In fact, almost everyone else is doing this - insulating themselves into silos with people that agree with them, where they can mutually reinforce their certainty that they are right, defining themselves to be "grounded in reality", and defining everyone else to be delusional idiots. Correct, no disagreement there. Everyone else labels themselves as the one with the wisdom and others as nuts. (pot calling...)Elsewhere I used an oversimplified example to illustrate how I go about solving the problem. ( see mention of cookies : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21526198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21526198) >What's really needed is a way for people with your degree of certainty to interact with people who think differently from you This is off the table actually. We are talking about core principles by which people live by, that difference is nonnegotiable. ( I really have no problem if people had a technical opinion that is different form mine: eg Python versus Haskell) >in a situation where you actually listen to each other and see to what degree the other side has some valid things to say. Well you see I have worked long enough and have enough successes ( tiny ones though) where I do not listen to everyone. Most people do not have anything profound to say. I suspect you are confusing me with some anti-social character ( Infact I get along well with most people). Ask a self made ( rich) man if he 'listens' to most people's advise on finance, and I'm sure that the answer will be a resounding 'no'. I hope you get the point I'm trying to make.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago
> We are talking about core principles by which people live by, that difference is nonnegotiable. No. Why should they be nonnegotiable? If I live my life by different principles than you, am I a fool? Or are you? If one of us is a fool, if we talk to each other, that one might realize it. If we only talk to people who agree with us, neither of us will realize it. Or, we might neither of us be fools. Even if we never agree on anything more, realizing that the person with the other viewpoint is not a fool still has value. It humanizes the "other" to us. Our society deeply needs that. I think that we, individually, also need that. More, even if we don't abandon our core principles, we still might learn some things that are useful. We might see that, while we still hold our position, the other side actually has some points also. At a minimum, from a purely utilitarian standpoint, we might learn how better to interact with "them". > Most people do not have anything profound to say. True. But that applies also to those who agree with you. Find those who are worth listening to, and don't throw them out because their starting position is not the same as yours. There's a verse in the book of Proverbs that I paraphrase as "The wise man gets lots of advice." In the very next chapter, there's a verse that I paraphrase as "The fool listens to most of it."

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

> We are talking about core principles by which people live by, that difference is nonnegotiable. No. Why should they be nonnegotiable? If I live my life by different principles than you, am I a fool? Or are you? If one of us is a fool, if we talk to each other, that one might realize it. If we only talk to people who agree with us, neither of us will realize it. Or, we might neither of us be fools. Even if we never agree on anything more, realizing that the person with the other viewpoint is not a fool still has value. It humanizes the "other" to us. Our society deeply needs that. I think that we, individually, also need that. More, even if we don't abandon our core principles, we still might learn some things that are useful. We might see that, while we still hold our position, the other side actually has some points also. At a minimum, from a purely utilitarian standpoint, we might learn how better to interact with "them". > Most people do not have anything profound to say. True. But that applies also to those who agree with you. Find those who are worth listening to, and don't throw them out because their starting position is not the same as yours. There's a verse in the book of Proverbs that I paraphrase as "The wise man gets lots of advice." In the very next chapter, there's a verse that I paraphrase as "The fool listens to most of it."