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I’m not…where did I say that? Like I said above, there’s no way to know who built them.

_ph_ 7y ago
Then why are you discussing? As far as I know from my history studies, the old egyptian society didn't practice slavery. So there is no reason for the assumption, that the "pyramids were built by slavery". Does that rule out, that some of the workers were forced to participate, be it by economic needs or other forms of pressure, e.g. forced labors of prisoners? Of course not.
- theli0nheart 7y ago
  > Then why are you discussing? I replied because you stated an assertion as truth which has no evidence substantiating it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > As far as I know from my history studies, the old egyptian society didn't practice slavery. Since you've already linked to Wikipedia above, here's an entire article specifically focused on slavery in Ancient Egypt. Unlike the topic which we've been discussing, there is written documentation of actual slave labor being extensively used. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt
  - _ph_ 7y ago
    Well, this article refers a time frame about 1000 years after the pyramids have been built. It also mixes slavery, where people are "owned" by other people, with forced and mandatory labor, where people have to provide a certain amount of labor to the state, but are not owned. In other posts to this discussion, people have provided further links documenting, that the pyramid were not being built by "slaves". That is the current state of historic science in old egypt.
    - theli0nheart 7y ago
      > Well, this article refers a time frame about 1000 years after the pyramids have been built. It also mixes slavery, where people are "owned" by other people, with forced and mandatory labor, where people have to provide a certain amount of labor to the state, but are not owned. I don't understand what you're getting at. You said there was no slavery in old Egypt. I provided a link showing otherwise. I'm not here to debate the details of it. If you even just peruse the article, there are tons of written records showing that there were people who were "bound for life". It was a thing! > In other posts to this discussion, people have provided further links documenting, that the pyramid were not being built by "slaves". That is the current state of historic science in old egypt. It seems like I'm not going to convince you of anything, but I looked, and despite what you've said, I couldn't find a single comment providing definitive evidence of who built the pyramids. Again, lots of theories, but no evidence! In one comment, there's a theory that the workers were were well-fed because there were cattle remains in the proximity of their graves. That's not evidence of anything. Maybe it was a trash dump. Maybe they were beasts of burden that helped move the stones. So many other explanations, but I suppose for some it's rock-solid proof of whatever it is they want to believe. Thing is, history isn't the study of belief. It's the study of written records. Making up stories is fun, but it's not history.
gerbilly 7y ago
We know who built them The workers were paid for their labour and consisted mainly of farmers who were idle during the off season. There are even records of the workers striking and that their demands for better food and work conditions were met. This does not sound like slavery to me.
- theli0nheart 7y ago
  > The workers were paid for their labour and consisted mainly of farmers who were idle during the off season. Have we learned nothing? Please link to the original sources that support this.
  - gerbilly 7y ago
    I will try an find a source, but I think it might have been: A History of Egypt by Nicholas Grimal. However for a while I read widely on the topic so I can't be sure.

_ph_ 7y ago

Then why are you discussing? As far as I know from my history studies, the old egyptian society didn't practice slavery. So there is no reason for the assumption, that the "pyramids were built by slavery". Does that rule out, that some of the workers were forced to participate, be it by economic needs or other forms of pressure, e.g. forced labors of prisoners? Of course not.

theli0nheart 7y ago
> Then why are you discussing? I replied because you stated an assertion as truth which has no evidence substantiating it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > As far as I know from my history studies, the old egyptian society didn't practice slavery. Since you've already linked to Wikipedia above, here's an entire article specifically focused on slavery in Ancient Egypt. Unlike the topic which we've been discussing, there is written documentation of actual slave labor being extensively used. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt
- _ph_ 7y ago
  Well, this article refers a time frame about 1000 years after the pyramids have been built. It also mixes slavery, where people are "owned" by other people, with forced and mandatory labor, where people have to provide a certain amount of labor to the state, but are not owned. In other posts to this discussion, people have provided further links documenting, that the pyramid were not being built by "slaves". That is the current state of historic science in old egypt.
  - theli0nheart 7y ago
    > Well, this article refers a time frame about 1000 years after the pyramids have been built. It also mixes slavery, where people are "owned" by other people, with forced and mandatory labor, where people have to provide a certain amount of labor to the state, but are not owned. I don't understand what you're getting at. You said there was no slavery in old Egypt. I provided a link showing otherwise. I'm not here to debate the details of it. If you even just peruse the article, there are tons of written records showing that there were people who were "bound for life". It was a thing! > In other posts to this discussion, people have provided further links documenting, that the pyramid were not being built by "slaves". That is the current state of historic science in old egypt. It seems like I'm not going to convince you of anything, but I looked, and despite what you've said, I couldn't find a single comment providing definitive evidence of who built the pyramids. Again, lots of theories, but no evidence! In one comment, there's a theory that the workers were were well-fed because there were cattle remains in the proximity of their graves. That's not evidence of anything. Maybe it was a trash dump. Maybe they were beasts of burden that helped move the stones. So many other explanations, but I suppose for some it's rock-solid proof of whatever it is they want to believe. Thing is, history isn't the study of belief. It's the study of written records. Making up stories is fun, but it's not history.

gerbilly 7y ago

We know who built them The workers were paid for their labour and consisted mainly of farmers who were idle during the off season. There are even records of the workers striking and that their demands for better food and work conditions were met. This does not sound like slavery to me.

theli0nheart 7y ago
> The workers were paid for their labour and consisted mainly of farmers who were idle during the off season. Have we learned nothing? Please link to the original sources that support this.
- gerbilly 7y ago
  I will try an find a source, but I think it might have been: A History of Egypt by Nicholas Grimal. However for a while I read widely on the topic so I can't be sure.